Where to for Super Rugby?

[Quick Hands]

You sure?....and if so at what price?

If you are right, and the price for that buy-back is a moderate one, and assuming the ARU after bailing out the Force wanted to keep proper control over its acquisition of them, then such a clause would be beyond stupid as in a scenario wherein the Force could simply by formal agreement buy back the IP/IP rights then that alone in isolation may still not see them be able to revive themselves as a whole operation on a solid financial footing and thus, post reacquiring the IP rights, the Force could easily, with history repeating, lurch back into needing yet another ARU bail out.

We are dealing with the ARU here, being "beyond stupid" is actually more likely than not given past commercial behaviour.

EDIT: You'd seriously like to be negotiating with these guys. The other SANZAAR nations mustn't be able to believe their luck.

 

[kiap]

You sure?....and if so at what price?

I am sure.

ARU acquires Western Force’s IP rights, but denies it’s a rescue​

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The Australian: February 18, 2016​

Bret Haris​

The ARU has acquired the intellectual property rights of the Western Force, including their Super Rugby licence, in a deal believed to be worth $800,000 in an effort to help the franchise out of financial difficulty.​

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… Sinderberry acknowledged that the ARU’s buyback was financial assistance for challenges the franchise was facing.

“It actually doesn’t mean a lot because we have an option to buy back at any time. That’s the most important thing,” Sinderberry said. “It was a way of assisting us with some funding challenges and also it protects the game more broadly. …​

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...e/news-story/22beb2a88c0918d22a5b466bd5d167a0​

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[Inside Shoulder]

I am sure.

ARU acquires Western Force’s IP rights, but denies it’s a rescue​

​

The Australian: February 18, 2016​

Bret Haris​

The ARU has acquired the intellectual property rights of the Western Force, including their Super Rugby licence, in a deal believed to be worth $800,000 in an effort to help the franchise out of financial difficulty.​

​

… Sinderberry acknowledged that the ARU’s buyback was financial assistance for challenges the franchise was facing.​

​

“It actually doesn’t mean a lot because we have an option to buy back at any time. That’s the most important thing,” Sinderberry said. “It was a way of assisting us with some funding challenges and also it protects the game more broadly. …​

​

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...e/news-story/22beb2a88c0918d22a5b466bd5d167a0​

​

Oh FFS.
I give up.
These guys are just major fuckwits.
Since I was told by a reliable source in about September 2016 that the force were gone this means that they gave them a buy back at a time when they must have known they wanted to chop them.

 

[kiap]

It was in place back near the start of 2016.

But, yeah. These guys are making it up as they go.

48-72 hours, now it could be months.

The Rebels exclusion. Safe then not. Now Brumbies exclusion. No criteria.

Let's see this go to court!!!

 

[Quick Hands]

Oh FFS.
I give up.
These guys are just major fuckwits.
Since I was told by a reliable source in about September 2016 that the force were gone this means that they gave them a buy back at a time when they must have known they wanted to chop them.

As I was saying, being "blindingly stupid" is part of the ARU MO.

 

[Quick Hands]

It was in place back near the start of 2016.

But, yeah. These guys are making it up as they go.

48-72 hours, now it could be months.

The Rebels exclusion. Safe then not. Now Brumbies exclusion. No criteria.

Let's see this go to court!!!

It's been said so many times, but you couldn't make this stuff up could you?

 

[Gnostic]

We need a full revolutionary takeover. Perhaps a fanbase buyout of the media deal to start.

Honestly I don't think much of RUPA as they have been in the tent the whole time this farce has been building from before the days of Flowers et al. All they wanted was more cash for the "elite" players and F%$#$ everything else. They have through their great benevolence taken a "pay cut" purely on a percentage base consideration, but as the media deals went up that % cut in real terms was very small if anything.

Make no mistake RUPA has had a big part to play in letting this fiasco develop and it should worry fans that just like the Labour Party certain chosen ones graduate from RUPA roles to senior board and management roles with no other real experience of training.

 

[Killer]

I am sure.

ARU acquires Western Force’s IP rights, but denies it’s a rescue​

​

The Australian: February 18, 2016​

Bret Haris​

The ARU has acquired the intellectual property rights of the Western Force, including their Super Rugby licence, in a deal believed to be worth $800,000 in an effort to help the franchise out of financial difficulty.​

​

… Sinderberry acknowledged that the ARU’s buyback was financial assistance for challenges the franchise was facing.​

​

“It actually doesn’t mean a lot because we have an option to buy back at any time. That’s the most important thing,” Sinderberry said. “It was a way of assisting us with some funding challenges and also it protects the game more broadly. …​

​

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...e/news-story/22beb2a88c0918d22a5b466bd5d167a0​

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BTW Kiap do you know if any other team that has had to sell their soul when getting assistance from the ARU.
The Rebs who have received ivo 20 mil?
The Tahs in their 2 bailouts
The Reds in their 1 bailout
The Brumbies in their 1 bailout

The WF had a need for a bailout and iot ensure it is not needed again have put plans in place eg Own The Force
What have the other teams done?
What about the 7mil debt the Reds apparently have?

Clearly the WF have not been treated fairly here. We needed 1 bailout in 12 yrs and that won't happen again. The continued talk of the WF being a financial drag on the ARU is completely untrue. We can pay back our bailout now, have any of the others besides the Brumbies done so?

Anyway can't elaborate got to go and do the school run, then rugby training

 

[kiap]

BTW Kiap do you know if any other team that has had to sell their soul when getting assistance from the ARU.
The Rebs who have received ivo 20 mil?
The Tahs in their 2 bailouts
The Reds in their 1 bailout
The Brumbies in their 1 bailou

Yeah, the game changed as it went on. I believe the ARU have the Rebels' IP rights as well from even earlier.

But perhaps ironically, the dealings signed with RugbyWA for the ARU to take over administration of the Force is what could save the Force.

WA has some decent legal hitters to go into bat.

 

[amirite]

Honestly I don't think much of RUPA as they have been in the tent the whole time this farce has been building from before the days of Flowers et al. All they wanted was more cash for the "elite" players and F%$#$ everything else.

Quote from http://www.rupa.com.au/about-rupa/what-is-rupa

[RUPA] was established to directly promote and safeguard the interests of its members, namely the professional Rugby players of Australia.

I think it's pretty hard to say there's blood on there hands. Perhaps their should be advocacy groups for other parts of Australian Rugby, who should also have a voice and a seat on the board but that's a different dicussion.

All RUPA have done is what they were created to do. They're just one voice/vote at the table.

 

[Gnostic]

Quote from http://www.rupa.com.au/about-rupa/what-is-rupa



I think it's pretty hard to say there's blood on there hands. Perhaps their should be advocacy groups for other parts of Australian Rugby, who should also have a voice and a seat on the board but that's a different dicussion.



All RUPA have done is what they were created to do. They're just one voice/vote at the table.

Ok if we accept what you say they are little more than a parasite and do not have the health and well being of the game at the forefront of their mind/s. In such case they have no business having a vote in the management of the game and should be relegated to nothing more than a focus/lobby group which can provide legal advice and representation to their members.

Make no mistake, I do not accept that, they have a vote and with such comes responsibilities to the game as a whole for the reasons I have stated. To hide behind semantics such as that but still accept the vote and the money is why Politicians and Lawyers are the most despised professions in this country.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

We need a full revolutionary takeover. Perhaps a fanbase buyout of the media deal to start.

Honestly I don't think much of RUPA as they have been in the tent the whole time this farce has been building from before the days of Flowers et al. All they wanted was more cash for the "elite" players and F%$#$ everything else. They have through their great benevolence taken a "pay cut" purely on a percentage base consideration, but as the media deals went up that % cut in real terms was very small if anything.

Make no mistake RUPA has had a big part to play in letting this fiasco develop and it should worry fans that just like the Labour Party certain chosen ones graduate from RUPA roles to senior board and management roles with no other real experience of training.

To be fair its not the job of the trade union to tell the employer how to run their factory profitably

 

[Gnostic]

To be fair its not the job of the trade union to tell the employer how to run their factory

They shouldn't have a vote then, just the same as the Union doesn't have a board room vote in a Corporation but they certainly have a consultancy role.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Sensibly, when pro rugby got going, the ARU should have owned all the IP and done all the contracting - NZ saw that as the way through.
No one took me up on my suggestion several pages back that we should get the sports commission involved: weren't their requirement the reason Arbib investigated and reported?
The mission statement is

The ASC is focused on getting more Australians participating and excelling in sport, by:

• delivering key programs in line with the Australian Government’s sport policy objectives;
• providing financial support and other assistance to national sporting organisations to deliver participation and high performance results and improve their capability, sustainability and effectiveness; and
• building collaboration, alignment and effectiveness within the Australian sport sector.

We need an immediate reset - the money is just too big and the ship too complicated to have the sole qualification for board membership that you were a wallaby or know a wallaby really well or went to school with him.
So we put the ARU into administration, sack the board and set up a new entity to run rugby in this country: thats how we get out of the god awful mess of the conflicting promises to everyone under the sun.

 

[I like to watch]

.......Politicians and Lawyers are the most despised professions in this country.

Rugby Administrators are making a late charge

 

[kickedmyheight]

We need an immediate reset - the money is just too big and the ship too complicated to have the sole qualification for board membership that you were a wallaby or know a wallaby really well or went to school with him.
So we put the ARU into administration, sack the board and set up a new entity to run rugby in this country: thats how we get out of the god awful mess of the conflicting promises to everyone under the sun.

I agree. What is the mechanism to make this happen? Is there something we can actually get rolling that will make this more likely to occur?

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[Inside Shoulder]

Rugby Administrators are making a late charge

hmmmm ....... not too much late about it.
Barton was a lawyer, a rugby administrator and a politician.
No wonder we're fucked.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

I agree. What is the mechanism to make this happen? Is there something we can actually get rolling that will make this more likely to occur?

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Write to Turnbull - he played rugby at school: he'd be all ears for an opportunity he couldn't stuff up.
You could get Cox to issue a letter of demand for his damages.

Heres the link: https://www.ausport.gov.au

 

[TOCC]

Ok if we accept what you say they are little more than a parasite and do not have the health and well being of the game at the forefront of their mind/s. In such case they have no business having a vote in the management of the game and should be relegated to nothing more than a focus/lobby group which can provide legal advice and representation to their members.

Make no mistake, I do not accept that, they have a vote and with such comes responsibilities to the game as a whole for the reasons I have stated. To hide behind semantics such as that but still accept the vote and the money is why Politicians and Lawyers are the most despised professions in this country.

RUPA has had its power eroded within Australian Rugby since 2012, prior to the Arib review RUPA held a seat on the board of the ARU, this was removed and appointed as an independent director. RUPA were then given 1 of the 16 votes offered to members unions. Scott Bryant at the time commented that this diluted power of all members and in the process consolidated power within the ARU.

The same ASC principle which stated RUPA should be removed from the board also stated that the Chairman should be separate as well, this didn't happen and Pulver is a director on the board.

I tend to think that the ARUs willingness to exclude the Brumbies from the list of teams been considered for the chop was to shift the balance of power. Special resolutions require a 65% vote, and with Tasmania, NT and SA in their pocket already(check ARU Annual report for debtors), they only need a few more votes from either QLD, NSW or ACT to ensure they have a voting block to prevent any EGM resolutions.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Scott Bryant at the time commented that this diluted power of all members and in the process consolidated power within the ARU.

On one view it coincided with the steepest part of the decline, too

I tend to think that the ARUs willingness to exclude the Brumbies from the list of teams been considered for the chop was to shift the balance of power. Special resolutions require a 65% vote, and with Tasmania, NT and SA in their pocket already(check ARU Annual report for debtors), they only need a few more votes from either QLD, NSW or ACT to ensure they have a voting block to prevent any EGM resolutions.

I like it.
Doesn't make the job of unseating these jokers easier though.