Where to for Super Rugby?

[Rebels3]

Well I think you will find that is what is wanted by both unions and both have said it, but there are a couple of major reasons why it can't be put in place now. 1; RA don't know how many teams they can afford to run (or so Hamish McLennan says), 2; and most importantly I think NZR has learnt not to say there will be a comp involving Aus teams, because of what happened earlier, you know everyone saying how dare they come up with a comp without RA being involved. So tell me why don't you think RA are being cockheads for announcing the same thing. I believe it is what will happen, will be best for both countries, but at the moment nothing can really be announced because noone knows how many teams etc RA are wanting to put forward , or if they in fact what comp they want to be in.

Latest party to slam NZR is the NZ players association, their representative sums up the issue perfectly.

~ What we don't want is someone trying to be the kingmaker in this situation. As soon as someone feels they're in a position to dictate, a whole lot of other people want to take them down.

"We have five teams and a commercial market that's smaller than New South Wales. Australia comes with assets. They come with experience, and legacy. Respect that legacy and work with them. This business of an eight-team competition with three new teams, we don't get that.

"From our perspective you don't go out with another option until you've exhausted the logical one which is working with Australia and the Pacific Islands to form something across trans-Tasman Pacific.

"If you're Australia, you're asking 'what have we done wrong?'

"Why would you have a competition that involves the Western Force and not New South Wales, Queensland and the Brumbies? That splits Australian rugby. New Zealand players, we don't want to be part of that. Not unless it's an absolute last resort. It's not our starting point.” ~

This is the issue everyone has, it’s got nothing to do with NZ creating their own comp, but they’re making decisions or trying to make decisions on behalf of everyone else. They are trying to dictate decisions in Australia and the Pacific on behalf of themselves and not Australia and the Pacific.

So that’s their 3 most important partners that have slammed them in the recent past
- Australia
- South Africa
- their own players association

Then add today’s release from Pacific players association about the lack of transparency on the process and the strangeness of it. They are at risk of alienating everyone, if things continue it wouldn’t surprise me to see whoever is in charge start to be worried about their future soon as he’s burning so many bridges.

 

[Rugbynutter39]

Nz players association summed things up perfectly - we are not pissed off with NZ but we are definitely pissed off with NZRU but we are just joining a growing queue here.

NZRU have shown no signs they are listening to anyone but maybe just maybe they might at least listen to their players association as contrary to what NZRU might think the game is about the players and the fans.

 

[Rugbynutter39]

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp...-obligations-breached-in-explosive-interview/

Rob Nichols take on this has been the best I have seen to bring sense to all the madness played out and provides a more sensible way forward. I like that kiwi and nz players association seems to be in good hands with that sort of calibre.

 

[qwerty51]

And a bubble just got approved with NSW.

 

[KOB1987]

And a bubble just got approved with NSW.

Cool, so the Tahs can join SRAo then

 

[Ignoto]

Perhaps when NZRU starts to apologise to everyone, they can get Darren Shand (the All Blacks manager) to apologise for blaming Australia for that listening bug.................

 

[Dan54]

And a bubble just got approved with NSW.

A bubble from who just got approved , Qld?

 

[qwerty51]

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...-and-nsw-will-open-to-nz-20201002-p561fi.html

 

[Try-ranosaurus Rex]

And a bubble just got approved with NSW.

Only one way though. NZ can come straight to NSW, but will have to quarantine back the other way.

 

[Dan54]

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...-and-nsw-will-open-to-nz-20201002-p561fi.html

I saw that mate, but that only one way, still have to quarantine other way. So not sure how well it will work.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news...l-border-to-new-zealand-to-open-on-october-16.
Whoops ditto with Try-

 

[Try-ranosaurus Rex]

A bubble from who just got approved , Qld?

NT and NSW have announced from 16th October that they'll welcome travellers from NZ. It's not yet reciprocal.

 

[qwerty51]

I saw that mate, but that only one way, still have to quarantine other way. So not sure how well it will work.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news...l-border-to-new-zealand-to-open-on-october-16.

It's the 2nd of October.

 

[Dan54]

It's the 2nd of October.

Mate noone wants it to open more than me, and I hope it is sooner rather than later, can't see NZ let people in from NSW when they can't even get into WA or Qld. I do really have high hopes of it being open by Xmas though. I know the NZ gov't is still saying same as Qld, has to be at least 28 days without community spread? Best chance is Qld, I would think but Morrison won't allow that anyway.

 

[Derpus]

Mate noone wants it to open more than me, and I hope it is sooner rather than later, can't see NZ let people in from NSW when they can't even get into WA or Qld. I do really have high hopes of it being open by Xmas though. I know the NZ gov't is still saying same as Qld, has to be at least 28 days without community spread? Best chance is Qld, I would think but Morrison won't allow that anyway.

I saw that Morrison said some states could be open in a bubble before others, i'm pretty sure. I'll have a dig for the news article later.

 

[Dan54]

I saw that Morrison said some states could be open in a bubble before others, i'm pretty sure. I'll have a dig for the news article later.

Yep think I heard that, but he also hinted strongly that Qld and WA wouldn't be part of that while they had borders closed to other States. And funnily enough Adhern indicated that NZ would be more open to WA and Qld because of how well they have managed Covid. (Also there an election coming in NZ)

 

[Ignoto]

Yep think I heard that, but he also hinted strongly that Qld and WA wouldn't be part of that while they had borders closed to other States. And funnily enough Adhern indicated that NZ would be more open to WA and Qld because of how well they have managed Covid. (Also there an election coming in NZ)

QLD's borders are open to every bar Victoria and most of NSW with NSW to be open after the State election.

 

[Try-ranosaurus Rex]

QLD's borders are open to every bar Victoria and most of NSW with NSW to be open after the State election.

Do you think a ticket to the Bledisloe at Suncorp will be sufficient to get a Queensland Border Declaration Pass?

 

[liquor box]

Cool, so the Tahs can join SRAo then

In all seriousness, could the Tahs or Reds actually leave if they wanted to play in the NZ competition?

 

[Adam84]

In all seriousness, could the Tahs or Reds actually leave if they wanted to play in the NZ competition?

Not without tearing every players contract up and starting from scratch, you also risk of sponsors triggering release clauses since their exposures may now be in different markets as well.

 

[Derpus]

In all seriousness, could the Tahs or Reds actually leave if they wanted to play in the NZ competition?

They'd literally have to build the club back up from scratch - but it is theoretically possible.

Although, i believe they would have to play exclusively in NZ as RA issue licenses in Australia? not sure how the licensing situation works with WR (World Rugby).