Where to for Super Rugby?

[Rugbynutter39]

I’m all for SOO if they had a Vic v WA game televised as the lead in.

Has anyone ever thought about a Public vs Private??? That is something that I believe genuinely has some tribalism to it in rugby circles.

The public vs private - I hope you are joking - rugby does not need to promote a public vs private disctinction

 

[barbarian]

The public vs private - I hope you are joking - rugby does not need to promote a public vs private disctinction

Can you imagine the coverage? "Yeah we want to knock those unwashed public school losers back to where they came from" or "These rich bastards don't know what's coming for them".

 

[sendit]

The public vs private - I hope you are joking - rugby does not need to promote a public vs private disctinction

You mean like they do when CHS go head to head with GPS and CAS every single year

i think it would actually help dispel the myth that you have to go to a private school to become a pro player

 

[Derpus]

You mean like they do when CHS go head to head with GPS and CAS every single year

i think it would actually help dispel the myth that you have to go to a private school to become a pro player

You don't have to. Sure fucken helps though.

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

You mean like they do when CHS go head to head with GPS and CAS every single year

i think it would actually help dispel the myth that you have to go to a private school to become a pro player

I really hate the private school bullshit. And think it has more to do with where in the pile those schools sit. Because I know for a fact that many League players are products of the private system. Just not those schools. My old school for instance has produced many pro RL players. Is an independent Catholic school and is administered by the same order as St Joseph's.

 

[KOB1987]

You mean like they do when CHS go head to head with GPS and CAS every single year

i think it would actually help dispel the myth that you have to go to a private school to become a pro player

That's a bit different because they're actually at school at the time. And it serves the purpose of allowing the talent scouts to get a look at everyone, regardless of their background.

 

[sendit]

That's a bit different because they're actually at school at the time. And it serves the purpose of allowing the talent scouts to get a look at everyone, regardless of their background.

naturally but it does by its nature promote a private v public distinction, which rugbynutter is so against

it never hurt RL to play the silvertails v fibros angle

 

[Dan54]

Clarke didn't really say this did he?
However, Rugby Australia CEO Rob Clarke told Stuff that Sky, which last year signed a huge new deal with NZ Rugby, didn’t want to go down that path.
“I haven’t spoken to Sky NZ directly, but I am aware of others that have,” Clarke said.
thought we had decided noone was playing games in media, someone told him??? FFS

 

[stoff]

Clarke didn't really say this did he?
However, Rugby Australia CEO Rob Clarke told Stuff that Sky, which last year signed a huge new deal with NZ Rugby, didn’t want to go down that path.
“I haven’t spoken to Sky NZ directly, but I am aware of others that have,” Clarke said.
thought we had decided noone was playing games in media, someone told him??? FFS

Like maybe the NZRU who he has been negotiating with. Maybe our chairman who probably has old Murdoch links there.

Probably just made it up to shit stir the Kiwis.

 

[Brumby Runner]

I don't see how they think an 8-team competition is better for the fans than 10. 8 is just so stale. Same teams over and over again.

Qwerty, I'll respond to your post but not all my comments are directed towards you. Some are in response to other comments.

First, there still seems to be a lot of confusion around what is being proposed. Whether that is on the part of people whose posts I don't understand, or on my own part, I guess posters have the opportunity to clarify for me or those I think have the bull by the horns.

In my understanding, there is a distinction between the domestic/TT competition and the Super 8. They are not meant to be alternatives. Either a domestic comp or a TT (involving all 5 Aus sides and maybe a PI side) will start the ball rolling. Before or after the various city-based premier competitions, I'm not sure.

The Super 8 is essentially a Championship style of competition involving the top 2 sides from the domestic competitions (or 4 from the TT if relevant - 2 x NZ and 2 x Aus) from each of 3 countries (Aus, NZ, SA) and one each from Japan and South America (interestingly, apparently not necessarily Argentina) - hence 8 teams. The teams involved will or might change year to year depending on the results of the individual competitions they come from. So, not necessarily same teams over and over again.

I do not see, personally, where any mention has been made of a PI team in the Super 8 comp. There has been talk of a PI team in a domestic Aus competition, but again, that is a different beast to the proposed Super 8.

Now, that's my take on matters atm. Please feel free to criticise or clarify if I've misunderstood the proposals.

 

[Rugbynutter39]

Sad thing about broadcast deal we are congradulating is this is same deal minus SOU Hamish put in, that castle was putting forward - still don’t understand why castle moved on

 

[KOB1987]

Qwerty, I'll respond to your post but not all my comments are directed towards you. Some are in response to other comments.

First, there still seems to be a lot of confusion around what is being proposed. Whether that is on the part of people whose posts I don't understand, or on my own part, I guess posters have the opportunity to clarify for me or those I think have the bull by the horns.

In my understanding, there is a distinction between the domestic/TT competition and the Super 8. They are not meant to be alternatives. Either a domestic comp or a TT (involving all 5 Aus sides and maybe a PI side) will start the ball rolling. Before or after the various city-based premier competitions, I'm not sure.

The Super 8 is essentially a Championship style of competition involving the top 2 sides from the domestic competitions (or 4 from the TT if relevant - 2 x NZ and 2 x Aus) from each of 3 countries (Aus, NZ, SA) and one each from Japan and South America (interestingly, apparently not necessarily Argentina) - hence 8 teams. The teams involved will or might change year to year depending on the results of the individual competitions they come from. So, not necessarily same teams over and over again.

I do not see, personally, where any mention has been made of a PI team in the Super 8 comp. There has been talk of a PI team in a domestic Aus competition, but again, that is a different beast to the proposed Super 8.

Now, that's my take on matters atm. Please feel free to criticise or clarify if I've misunderstood the proposals.

QWERTY is talking about the reference in the video article, that NZ fans allegedly prefer an 8 team TT to a 10 team one. He’s not talking about the Super 8.

 

[KOB1987]

Sad thing about broadcast deal we are congradulating is this is same deal minus SOU Hamish put in, that castle was putting forward - still don’t understand why castle moved on

Kind of. I think it safe to say that McLennan/Clarke are reigniting some of the discussions with the broadcasters that were started by RC. The big difference is that at that time we were still ‘sheep’ under the old Super Rugby model, whereas now they are actually showing some leadership as to how the second tier will move forward, with our best interests.

 

[qwerty51]

Clarke didn't really say this did he?
thought we had decided noone was playing games in media, someone told him??? FFS

Is it so shocking a broadcaster prefers the format which delivers more content!???

 

[dru]

Is it so shocking a broadcaster prefers the format which delivers more content!???

No, actually.

 

[Dan54]

Is it so shocking a broadcaster prefers the format which delivers more content!???

No why I said he playing games read the whole thing. He says he hasn't even spoken to Sky but someone told him. FFS he is basically either making it up or he is spreading rumours! I would attach more credence to him saying after HE had spoken to Sky , not just someone told him.

 

[Dan54]

Sad thing about broadcast deal we are congradulating is this is same deal minus SOU Hamish put in, that castle was putting forward - still don’t understand why castle moved on

And it also the same deal that Optus boss said they weren't interested in isn't it?

 

[Dan54]

Like maybe the NZRU who he has been negotiating with. Maybe our chairman who probably has old Murdoch links there.

Probably just made it up to shit stir the Kiwis.

I agree stoff, it obvious from last couple of days that RA has gone back to putting pressure on through media.

 

[stoff]

I agree stoff, it obvious from last couple of days that RA has gone back to putting pressure on through media.

RA have been negotiating with NZRU for months. NZRU dropped a comp format on RA via the papers and direct approaches to the Aus franchises. Front running in the media yes. Playing games no.

 

[dru]

Sad thing about broadcast deal we are congradulating is this is same deal minus SOU Hamish put in, that castle was putting forward - still don’t understand why castle moved on

I remain unhappy with the Castle saga. But I am not sure she would have been prepared to present the same way that Clarke is. I didn't like losing Castle, but I'm not unhappy with Clarke even as a temporary arrangement.

I suspect the real difference is Clyne v McLennan and I am not slightly saddened by the departure of Clyne.