Where to for Super Rugby?

[daz]

The ARU believes it can deal with the WA gov.

The fact that the ARU believes it can do anything at this point, including breathing and walking at the same time, should not shock me.

But it does.

Anyway, I'll believe the outcome when I see the actual outcome. The last thing we need right now is yet more prognosticators of unfounded wisdom. If I wanted a half-baked truth, I'd read the columns of any rugby journo in Australia you care to name. And any thread on this, or any other, forum.

No-one knows shit, not even the ARU, Force or Rebels. And if they do, they ain't telling us.

So, to paraphrase: Yawn.

 

[stoff]

What does the WA govt have to do with it anyway. WARU are the ones who have the alliance agreement.

Edit: maybe that's why the ARU think they can deal with the WA govt - because they don't have to.

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[BLR]

What does the WA govt have to do with it anyway. WARU are the ones who have the alliance agreement.

Edit: maybe that's why the ARU think they can deal with the WA govt - because they don't have to.

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The WA Government sunk $100 million into nib with the understanding that the Force were going to be around. Plus the funds for the Bledisloe in a few years, not going to look good handing over money to the ARU for this if they cut a team.

Where the hell does $26 million to $30 million come from anyway? The Rebels are bleeding money and have already recieved plenty of hand outs.

EDIT: Also it's RugbyWA not WARU. It hasn't been called WARU for a long long time.

 

[Killer]

Tuesday night was at a function the host is a very well connected Rugby fellow.

I asked him who is going to get the chop Force, Rebels or Brumb's move to Melbourne.

He laughed and said words this this effect, if its the Rebels they have to pay between 26 and 30 million. If they move the ACT side and merge they will effectively give the Rebels the side and they won't do that. The ARU believes it can deal with the WA gov.

They can't afford the 26 to 30 million so its already decided. He then said you should be able to work it out from that.

Well never say never but...

What has the WA Gov't got to do with it?
all they can do is support RWA with the Legal requirements/costs and in the future be a pain in the arse to the ARU. Unless they have some legal grounds themselves related to promises re the facilities provided, but I doubt it.

It's all about the alliance agreement, it either holds up in court or not. If it does the ARU will be legally forced to honour the agreement.

30 mil costs to the Rebs?
The licence cost him $1

They won't give the Rebs the Brumbies team?
If money is the big issue, and they can't get rid of the WF then of all his solutions this is the only one that is possible.

He does not sound that informed to me?

 

[stoff]

EDIT: Also it's RugbyWA not WARU. It hasn't been called WARU for a long long time.

Cheers. Didn't feel right when I wrote it. Now that makes sense.


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[James Pettifer]

Well never say never but.

30 mil costs to the Rebs?
The licence cost him $1

And Cox has probably invested significant time and money into the team.

You can't expect to sell someone something, get them to invest money and time into it and get it back (or close it down) for the original amount

Hopefully it is right. And hopefully the alliance agreement holds up and rugby continues in both WA and Victoria in developing players and broadening the base

 

[BLR]

And Cox has probably invested significant time and money into the team.

'Probably' being the operative word. Keep in mind the front loaded TV money and the fact there is a salary cap. It's not like he has, or can, fork out football (soccer) money out to attract huge stars.

A demand of $30 million is bloody rich considering the limitations he does have on him and the funding he does already get. In theory he should be able to run the team on ARU funding with very little of his own funds, which is what many of the other teams have done for their most of their life.

So where is this massive supposed loss out of his own pocket coming from if the Rebels have their house in order?

 

[Dave Beat]

Whilst not soup it forms part of the pathway to soup. For those that dont get the NSW FTA here is the Shute Shield add.

Forgive the quality it has been uploaded then attached from you tube.

Growing rugby.

 

[NTT]

The ARU should be looking to work with the WA government. WA has bailed out the ARU to the tune of $100 million in direct investment since wheneverty6 and did this thing for them and other made up reasons im copying from the mob in Victoria ...... but seriously, Cox can demand $30 million, he won't get it. Tell him he's dreaming. The license is worth $3.75 million and he has losses of about $4 million to recover. Give him his $7.75 million, close the thing down to stop the absolute waste of money it is bleeding and look to reestablish a Melbourne franchise down the track when it can be done more cost efficiently, sustainably and has the right academy and pathways structures in place to tap into Victorian club rugby. Until then, the incredible amounts of money being lost by the ARU propping it up and the significant losses being accrued by Cox needs to stop before too much more damage is done.
Get this Super Rugby Commission set up, centralise most of the duplicated costs and services the franchises don't need to be burdened by, collaborate on pathways and development, share ideas, skills and knowledge, have a much more Australia first approach to SANZAAR decision making processes and lets run professional rugby properly to the benefit of all players, fans and participants.

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

Whilst not soup it forms part of the pathway to soup. For those that dont get the NSW FTA here is the Shute Shield add.

Forgive the quality it has been uploaded then attached from you tube.

Growing rugby.

Nice promo. It's something the SS clubs need to look to do more if they are serious about the whole 'developing the best club competition in the world' (overlooking the fact that both the AP and Top14 are club comps) then they need to really work hard at promotion and community inclusiveness.

Not just the community within the clubs either. Rugby people from outside the clubs. The general public with an interest. Or just people who like sport. To be taken seriously on their ambitions these are just the beginning.

Then there's need to evolve but that's a whole other discussion.

 

[TOCC]

WA has bailed out the ARU to the tune of $100 million in direct investment since wheneverty6 and did this thing for them and other made up reasons im copying from the mob in Victoria .. .

That's what we call creative accounting

 

[James Pettifer]

Cox can demand $30 million, he won't get it. Tell him he's dreaming. The license is worth $3.75 million and he has losses of about $4 million to recover. Give him his $7.75 million,

Not how it works. They sold him the licence. They can offer him $7.75 million but he is under no obligation to sell.

 

[daz]

. but seriously, Cox can demand $30 million, he won't get it. Tell him he's dreaming. .

Just out of interest, where is the $30m compensation number coming from? What source?

If it is from that third-hand post above, then you blokes are getting all frothy-mouthed at a number that has been fucking made up for all we know.

Seriously, take a fucking pill and a few deep breaths.

 

[Braveheart81]

That's what we call creative accounting

I think this was just satire based on the same claims being made in previous about Victoria contributing money to the ARU by hosting test matches.

 

[daz]

I think this was just satire based on the same claims being made in previous about Victoria contributing money to the ARU by hosting test matches.

Going one step further, I was standing in Victoria the last time I bought Test match tickets, so of course I contributed to the ARU on behalf of Victoria.

I've also bought Test match tickets in NSW, QLD and WA, so my largess towards propping up the ARU knows no boundaries.

 

[James Pettifer]

Going one step further, I was standing in Victoria the last time I bought Test match tickets, so of course I contributed to the ARU on behalf of Victoria.

I've also bought Test match tickets in NSW, QLD and WA, so my largess towards propping up the ARU knows no boundaries.

My companies head office is in Chicago and I managed to get them to pay for myself and some of my US peers to see the Australia v US game a couple of years ago. I assume that the ARU got a slice of that game so I'll one up your lame state boundaries to international.

 

[daz]

My companies head office is in Chicago and I managed to get them to pay for myself and some of my US peers to see the Australia v US game a couple of years ago. I assume that the ARU got a slice of that game so I'll one up your lame state boundaries to international.

Your gloating is even more impressive, given you didn't have to pay for those tickets.

 

[James Pettifer]

Your gloating is even more impressive, given you didn't have to pay for those tickets.

#&^$ing worrying at half time though. At a game with a half dozen Americans and we are only 14-10 up

 

[BLR]

I think this was just satire based on the same claims being made in previous about Victoria contributing money to the ARU by hosting test matches.

The best satire always has the element of truth.

$100 million was the figure used to upgrade nib I believe, primarily for rugby in WA in the form of the Force.

So yeah, although not quite direct, if we added payments for test matches to that & various performance centres.

It's a bloody stupid argument anyway, we are talking about the team alone not stuff like tests etc. which are portable anywhere.

 

[KevinO]

Ok, enough is enough.

No more talk about how much Cox is asking for.

Any Force fans willing to lay all there cards on the table with why they have heard they are safe and why the Rebels will be cut? I'm talking honest rugby sources and not anything from newspapers (gossip columns)

Rugby land here in Vic, has so many different reasons why we are safe, some from good sources to. But all in all it's stuff that we get told to remain silent about until the announcement and I don't feel safe until it's announced.

But the facts everyone knows:

• ARU own the Force
• Cox owns the Rebels
• Both sides have struggled
• Both Governments have spent massive sums of money to bring the game to there states.
• Both have developed strong grass roots programs and are starting to see the rewards of having a local Super Rugby team.

Let's come up with some new stuff cause 358 pages could be reduced to 25 if you removed all the repeating arguments.