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Trevor Allan (34)
League sure but AFL and Aleague have pokies?
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Where to for Super Rugby?
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Jim Lenehan (48)
Hell, a 2hr delay on FTA would be tolerable.
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Dick Tooth (41)
Not blame,- hold accountable for their decisions!!!!
Of the following do you think there should be no responsibility for key management decisions taken. IMO none have anything to do with the game they are all structural issues. Each has had consequences.
1] Moving Saturday morning district local games to Sunday morning to avoid the clash with GPS schools.
Resulting in over 60% of teams folding.
2] Develop a NRC within 6 months. The Nobody Really Cares competition has many in the Rugby community against its structure and many did not join in.
So playing at the business end of the NRL & AFL seasons in a tiny window with originally two aims. One to grow Rugby's base and second to prepare players for higher levels.
The first objective has been lost and many where excluded from competing in it.
3] The coach / lady thing were where the controls.
4] Australian based Super Rugby matches rate the highest, overseas matches rate less and non friendly time zone rate beyond poor, and one sided games rate poorly. These are well supported facts.
Result we agree to a new competition with less Australian matches, more matches in poor time zones and new below Super Rugby standards sides.
5] In NZ & SA rugby is king, so we agree to changes that suit countries with strong foundations and huge backing. Given rugby's position in Australia it was pure madness many many many many many many made the call that it was madness, yet we backed it anyway.
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Jim Lenehan (48)
No pokies with afl teams
I love the idea of fta but as someone that works with media, I can tell you now sport that isn't live is practically useless in the modern world. Smart phones, iPads etc have rendered delayed sport useless, you'd lose 80% of your audience because they already know the result. The other aspect and a sad aspect at that, is the Australian fascination with online betting, you'd fail to engage people after that experience.
Personally I believe the obvious win/win scenario for fta and foxtel is to play each game live into the state of the team playing. So in other words each reds game would be broadcasted live fta in Queensland, each tahs into nsw. The win/win scenario is that the clubs would get exposure to the mass audience and foxtel would build interest into the game, which in return would lead to people paying for subscription to gain access to the remaining matches.
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
Nah, the pokies is a NSW/ACT thing..........
I haven't seen a single pokie machine in a bar since moving to Melbourne.
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Simon Poidevin (60)
Not sure if you guys are serious?
AFL clubs make serious money from pokies
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AFL clubs make serious money from pokies
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/af...n/news-story/8d87c5f8d3756ba2164af8c73481bed5
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Nicholas Shehadie (39)
Slim 293 there are not many pokie machines in bars in the city (maybe because of the casino) but in the suburbs they are everywhere.
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David Wilson (68)
We may disagree on that Joe, but I will never be convinced otherwise, look how popular rugby got when Wallabies won WC. My sidekick who I work with is an avid soccer fan,he from Europe, and he is quite worried about A-league as he thinks he has found that soccer has perhaps peaked and is may find it's popularity will begin to drop off. I not sure if it right , but he is really into the game, spend probably 15-20 hours a week on soccer activities(that is almost year round) and just says that is how he feels. Anyway neither thing helps with the problems rugby has in Aus, and one of the things is unfortunately that Australia doesn't have the depth of players or the money to field 5 Super teams apparently, and what is the best way of reducing teams with the least damage to the game. ARU certainly don't seem to have found it yet!
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David Wilson (68)
Yep, well they certainly do around here in Brisbane/Logan !!
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Paul McLean (56)
I good friend who grew up in Vic - loves AFL.
His son plays soccer - he likes soccer.
He's been living on the Norhern Beaches now for a number of years now. I took him to his first game of rugby last year - first home game in the SS.
Week prior he hopped on google to try and understand the rules.
He hasnt missed a home game since.
Enjoys the atmosphere, the experience, and the relaxing afternoon - he said whilst it is a different game club rugby captures the community like the AFL does.
Have our governing bodies lost touch with the community, if they were more involved could the support and player base grow?
stoff
Trevor Allan (34)
Hawthorn I think make the most from it. Two massive venues - one at Waverley Gardens, one Caroline Springs, so both mid to outer suburban.
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Think Collingwood still have an interest in the Coach & Horses in Ringwood?
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
I assume that is a rhetorical question.
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
Competent, strategic management (even if they don't get everything right all the time they have a strategy) and a club-based national league which is on FTA. This means that the non-rusted on can actually engage with the competition and the teams involved on a weekly basis.
You could add cricket and netball to you list.
All 5 of these sports are also pushing national women's club competitions - the quickest was to ensure FTA coverage and attract publicity at the moment.
I suggested over a year ago in the lead-up to Rio that planning should start for an NRC type women's 15 a side league. Nothing from the ARU.
Before people start talking costs - the tiny sport of water polo has a season long professional national league for both men's and women's teams.
The National Water Polo League (NWPL), is Australia’s premier domestic water polo competition. Twelve clubs compete in the Annual event which comprises of both a men’s and women’s competition.
The NWPL provides important competition opportunities for national squad members as well as the next generation of Australian water polo talent. It is truly a national competition, featuring teams from five states across Australia and international players often join teams competing in the League creating a high quality competition.
http://waterpoloaustralia.com.au/nwpl/
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Jim Clark (26)
As does Ice Hockey (8 teams for men playing 28 games - been around for 16 years, 4 teams for women playing 12 games - been around for 10 years) and baseball (6 teams for men).
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Jim Clark (26)
Just thought I'd remind people of this quote from the SA Rugby CEO in April
“From a South African rugby high performance perspective we’ve had to acknowledge that the dilution of talent and resources across six franchises – at a time when rand weakness has led to more departures to Europe and Japan – has seriously affected our ability to compete across the board"
So if the aim for SA rugby was to reduce costs and improve the concentration of talent, then how does moving 2 teams to a different league improve this?
The obvious answer is that it doesn't and that they have completely backed away from their stated aim.
“From a South African rugby high performance perspective we’ve had to acknowledge that the dilution of talent and resources across six franchises – at a time when rand weakness has led to more departures to Europe and Japan – has seriously affected our ability to compete across the board"
So if the aim for SA rugby was to reduce costs and improve the concentration of talent, then how does moving 2 teams to a different league improve this?
The obvious answer is that it doesn't and that they have completely backed away from their stated aim.
RedsHappy
Tony Shaw (54)
Sadly, we in Australian rugby have a Chairman who thinks his national body has done quite a competent job so far of the process of culling a Super team, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary as our code spirals further into disrepute and community detachment.
What hope is there for even the beginnings of creative national innovation in rugby playing structures and such like (as so ably mentioned in these pages) when we have a board whose self-definition and sense of honesty appears wholly uncoupled with reality?
The ARU board must be reformed before rugby's potential can be meaningfully revived and re-liberated in this country.
What hope is there for even the beginnings of creative national innovation in rugby playing structures and such like (as so ably mentioned in these pages) when we have a board whose self-definition and sense of honesty appears wholly uncoupled with reality?
The ARU board must be reformed before rugby's potential can be meaningfully revived and re-liberated in this country.
RedsHappy
Tony Shaw (54)
Interesting the reports today:
- Elsom 'determined' to buy the Rebels from Cox to 'save them as we must have 5 teams if ever we can get to the trans-Tasman comp we really need'
- Elsom and Cox in conversations re a sale (why would Cox consider selling at all after only 2 years if the Rebels is a viable investment?)
- it's stated that Cox does not need the ARU's permission to sell to any party of his choosing (which, if true, is a staggering lack of contractual detail, code quality control and general governance on the ARU's part)
- Elsom 'determined' to buy the Rebels from Cox to 'save them as we must have 5 teams if ever we can get to the trans-Tasman comp we really need'
- Elsom and Cox in conversations re a sale (why would Cox consider selling at all after only 2 years if the Rebels is a viable investment?)
- it's stated that Cox does not need the ARU's permission to sell to any party of his choosing (which, if true, is a staggering lack of contractual detail, code quality control and general governance on the ARU's part)
stoff
Trevor Allan (34)
Looks like the ARU may have made a tactical blunder with the early meeting offer. They can lay out their incompetence, or hide it and look dishonest and secretive for all members to see. They then potentially face a vote of no confidence off the back of that a couple of weeks later. http://www.theage.com.au/rugby-unio...-for-super-rugby-players-20170518-gw7sgh.html
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Interesting article...
Much kudos to Rocky for his desire to buy into Australian Rugby. Happy that he's picked Melbourne, but why hasn't he also looked at the Force?
To your second point, who said anything about a sale? This might tie in with the theory that Blues Recover shared yesterday, where Cox could be looking for additional investors in order to 1) share the financial load, and; make it hard for the ARU to buy back in (barriers to exit and all that stuff...).
If Cox didn't need the ARU's permission to sell, I would be gobsmacked. Still, Rocky could invest in ISM (licence holder) and effectively take control of that company? That would probably get around any caveat that the ARU have on the sale?
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