Where to for Super Rugby?

[Kenny Powers]

everything north of the latte line in Sydney is the tahs everything south is a new franchise.
We don't want 4 we need 6 super teams.

What about the Barassi Line? Little success in the rugby codes advancing west of the line, compared to AFL.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barassi_Line

 

[KevinO]

I don't know how we are locked into Super Rugby until 2020? I would have thought that we are locked into this 18 team format until 2020.

That the new contract for the 15 team format would not be signed until the teams have been cut.

Would it not all be hand shake agreements for the time being?

 

[RedsHappy]

For the record whilst Michael Hawker was CEO of IAG (NRMA Insurance), Brett Robinson was employeed at IAG

Jan 2006 - Aug 2009 Insurance Australia Group (IAG) State Manager, Queensland

Apr 2005 - Jan 2006 Insurance Australia Group (IAG) Senior Manager – Medical Policy Research and Planning


This was immediately following his stint as General Manager of the High Performance Unit at the ARU.

Michael Hawker then retires from the Chairman's role, Brett Robinson becomes the Deputy Chairman and in a very unusual arrange represents the ARU Internationally.

We have a very shallow gene pool.

Brett Robinson has very ably assisted the ARU no doubt in matters of high-performance rugby - and boy do current results reflect his and others' highly productive contributions in this area - but perhaps even more important was the instrumental role he played in the QRU's radical and deep review of its High Performance Unit in mid-2015, and, after very careful consideration, this review decided for the retention of the well-connected local HC, R Graham.

http://www.redsrugby.com.au/News/Ne...eensland-Reds-high-performance-structure.aspx

 

[ChargerWA]

It shouldn't affect test match rugby unless the other countries want it to do so. That's beyond our control though.

I think it would actually increase interest in Test Rugby. Imagine how pumped you'd be about playing the ABs or Boks if you hadn't just seen their players for 18 rounds of test Rugby lite.

 

[The Honey Badger]

I've always thought there needs to be a major Australian sporting team called the Wombats.

Mudgee RFC

 

[Moono75]

All this talk of breaking away and going it alone is giving me a new idea. I'm thinking of starting up my own break-away rugby forum in competition to G&GR. It looks like the only solution.

Moonos
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Come on guy's join me on MORON....who's in??

 

[Kenny Powers]

Brett Robinson has very ably assisted the ARU no doubt in matters of high-performance rugby - and boy do current results reflect his and others' highly productive contributions in this area - but perhaps even more important was the instrumental role he played in the QRU's radical and deep review of its High Performance Unit in mid-2015, and, after very careful consideration, this review decided for the retention of the well-connected local HC, R Graham.

http://www.redsrugby.com.au/News/Ne...eensland-Reds-high-performance-structure.aspx

A little bit more googling and Brett Robinson is currently in the employ of the Bank of Queensland as a Specialist CEO; whatever that is

Guess who is the Chairman of the Bank of Queensland, none other than New South Wales Rugby Union and Waratahs chairman Roger Davis.

The gene pool is dry!

 

[BLR]

A little bit more googling and Brett Robinson is currently in the employ of the Bank of Queensland as a Specialist CEO; whatever that is

Guess who is the Chairman of the Bank of Queensland, none other than New South Wales Rugby Union and Waratahs chairman Roger Davis.

The gene pool is dry!

I hear they are married to each others sisters as well.

 

[lou75]

Today Coxy is opening the door for an outcome of sorts.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...r/news-story/92427e967de4ca66bfda42b2b8c479af

Super rugby door ajar for Rebels - Brumbies merger

I've got to hand it to the guy, he knows how to hold the cards and when to fold, he is going to get paid out a motza and walk away with his head high for saving the ARU.
It helps to have good friends on the inside (Rob Clarke) who can negotiate favourable contracts (firstly the sale of Rebels and now the repurchase of Rebels).
Wow.

 

[KOB1987]

I've always thought there needs to be a major Australian sporting team called the Wombats.

http://mudgeerugby.hwy.com.au/

 

[Rugbynutter39]

Today Coxy is opening the door for an outcome of sorts.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...r/news-story/92427e967de4ca66bfda42b2b8c479af

Super rugby door ajar for Rebels - Brumbies merger

I've got to hand it to the guy, he knows how to hold the cards and when to fold, he is going to get paid out a motza and walk away with his head high for saving the ARU.
It helps to have good friends on the inside (Rob Clarke) who can negotiate favourable contracts (firstly the sale of Rebels and now the repurchase of Rebels).
Wow.

Aka packer and you only get 1 Alan bond
Cox: you only get one aru


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[Rugbynutter39]

This is so not going to end well as all things pointing to force being cut which is wrong but no choice because of nothing more than aru incompetence. The aru have played a major part in killing rugby off in this country and cutting the force will destroy the good work and growth prospects Set up in wa. I never have been so disappointed in a national sporting body and is killing off my interest in professional rugby in this country.

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[Dave Beat]

@Quickhands, you had a very fine post some 20 pages back. This thread is too out of control to go looking for it. But you suggested how to reorganise the administration structure for Rugby in this country.

It was a very fine post but should have been in the administration thread.

What I think we should be discussing here is how the various teams and competitions are organised.

If we were to start again, from a green field situation, what competitions do we have?

Let's say a National team is a given and we are all agreed.

Then according to most people on this thread every other level is up for debate.

Is the next level down still provincial? And what teams and who do they play.,?

Where does NRC fit?
Where does club fit?
Subbies?

My thoughts are we drop South Africa and set up a provincial comp in this time zone (with or without New Zealand) including pacific Island teams and Japan.

Then an enhanced NRC comp.

Then club as it is now but perhaps this is where ARU intervention is required to support struggling clubs and help develop the game in non traditional areas.

Thoughts?

Ditto - i read and wish it was easy to locate. Made for a great template.
Wamberal also had a great post - First things to do on his to do list.

Another old saying that i like - you dont shrink to greatness.

I have no particular problem with a trans-Tasman provincial competition. The big hurdle is that NZ have repeatedly stated that they won't be involved at all.

That means that the NRC effectively becomes a national provincial competition. I'd like the Pacific Islands involved if it's economic to do so. Planning on this should start now (probably should have already started).

The best thing that the ARU can do for clubs (grade and subbies) is to provide resources and to help get more kids playing.

We're contractually locked in to super rugby until 2020 (assuming that what has been disclosed to us is factually correct), this should be ready to go before negotiations even start for the next super rugby competition so that we can say up front to our partners, thanks and part on good terms. It shouldn't affect test match rugby unless the other countries want it to do so. That's beyond our control though.

This is something that the Force & Rebels are paying more attention to that NSW & QLD - they seem to understand the importance of providing a pathway - and yet the Force & Rebels are the ones in line.


Reference was made to a Trans Tasman Comp.
Back in the early 90's there was NSW, QLD, Otago, Auckland, Waikato, Wellington, Canterbury, and ACT occasionally had games, there was some torrid battles and Auckland were red hot back then. Good crowds use to get to Concord to watch these games.

 

[Quick Hands]

A little bit more googling and Brett Robinson is currently in the employ of the Bank of Queensland as a Specialist CEO; whatever that is

Guess who is the Chairman of the Bank of Queensland, none other than New South Wales Rugby Union and Waratahs chairman Roger Davis.

The gene pool is dry!

These guys probably share a limo and just travel from board meeting to airport lounge to board meeting. (All on the shareholders)

 

[Quick Hands]

I've always thought there needs to be a major Australian sporting team called the Wombats.

The ARU board has the name sewn up.

 

[Quick Hands]

Today Coxy is opening the door for an outcome of sorts.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...r/news-story/92427e967de4ca66bfda42b2b8c479af

Super rugby door ajar for Rebels - Brumbies merger

I've got to hand it to the guy, he knows how to hold the cards and when to fold, he is going to get paid out a motza and walk away with his head high for saving the ARU.
It helps to have good friends on the inside (Rob Clarke) who can negotiate favourable contracts (firstly the sale of Rebels and now the repurchase of Rebels).
Wow.

Kerry Packer once famously said "You only get one Alan Bond." Cox must be thinking, "You only get one ARU."

 

[Rugbynutter39]

Kerry Packer once famously said "You only get one Alan Bond." Cox must be thinking, "You only get one ARU."

Yes quick hands was trying to remember the famous quote which part posted....I think it was you only get one Alan Bond in your lifetime.

 

[kiap]

Today Coxy is opening the door for an outcome of sorts.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...r/news-story/92427e967de4ca66bfda42b2b8c479af

Selected snippets:

Super Rugby door ajar for Rebels-Brumbies merger​

Wayne Smith​

The Australian​

… With Canberra not able to match the projected growth rates of either Melbourne or Perth over the next 10 years, the least disruptive solution for Australian rugby would be for the Brumbies to move to Melbourne and continue the Brumbies brand in the Victorian capital.​

… “Obviously, for legal reasons as we have reserved all our rights, I can’t really comment on this idea,” said Cox, when asked his opinion of the idea. “But it’s certainly great to see someone thinking outside the box to help the ARU board find a way out of this. But it is a matter for the ARU board and we certainly haven’t had any discussions with the Brumbies.”​

… Seemingly that’s not about to happen. An ARU spokesman last night insisted it had not altered course. “There has been no change to the ARU’s position that the Brumbies are no longer part of any discussion with regards to the process of reducing to four Super Rugby teams for the 2018 season.”​

… The scheduled talks between the Force and the ARU are starting to resemble the Panmunjom talks at the end of the Korean War, where negotiations broke down over the height of flagpoles. Last night the two parties couldn’t even agree that discussions would go ahead on Thursday as planned.​

I've got a feeling that Bill is going to be the scapegoat for the ARU.

But the joint really needs a clean out of the Board, starting with Clyne.

 

[RedsHappy]

@kiap

Re that ^^^^ last paragraph.......hilarious......but on a serious note you have to feel sorry for the Force. It's clear the ARU has zero honest intention of actually reviewing their case for survival.

It's been clear from the outset that the ARU's designated path of least resistance was to close the Force down.

And the inexplicable mystery remains intact as to why the Brumbies are excluded from a close-down review. The Australian rugby public does not deserve to know that.

This entire process is simply a farce lacking any objectivity, transparency and basic decency in terms of fan and player respect.

 

[kiap]

Yup, I think the Force's position now is "See you in court".

Bring your racquet.