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Western Force 2017

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Gnostic

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Mark Ella (57)
neilc said:
Maybe since the ARU have taken over the Force they need to use it as an opportunity to put whatever coaching resources they need at the time in - not just appoint a new HC and assistants but use some of the coaches who have been on their pathways, and bring in specialist resources when needed - the Wallabies scrum coach etc. Maybe engage with the WA rugby community of coaches etc and see what their input can be - use this as a chance to really build on the community that they have and hopefully develop more players. Emerging players from around the country will look for opportunities to get playing time - and maybe look at some of the Japanese players looking for offshore opps - Hendrik Tui has been really good for the Reds this season.
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Such rational and constructive thought has no place in the ARU. Your radical notions must be crushed and ridiculed.
 
Gnostic

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
topgun said:
Benn Robinson for joint head coach and Premier of Western Australia. You'd have a mortgage on that trophy.



In all seriousness I can see a few options

Laurie Fisher

Stuart Lancaster

Matt O'Connor

Nick Stiles

Todd Blackadder

Ewen Mckenzie(Please be available!)

Dingo Deans

Joe Schmidt(if you believe rumours)

Warren Gatland(after that chiefs game, do you really want him?)



It gets more far-fetched as it goes on.
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Of that list only Link, Fischer and maybe Stiles have any history for playing the sort of game needed to bring in new fans and importantly viewers. Gatland, Deans et al for various reasons would give the dead cat bounce if lucky.
 
MarkJ

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Bob Loudon (25)
Gnostic said:
Of that list only Link, Fischer and maybe Stiles have any history for playing the sort of game needed to bring in new fans and importantly viewers. Gatland, Deans et al for various reasons would give the dead cat bounce if lucky.
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Didn't Lancaster have the poms playing a reasonably attractive brand of rugby before he lost his bottle at the RWC and switched to a more conservative strategy?

And I don't recall too much scintillating back play when Fisher was head coach of the Brumbies. Weren't they the days when Ben Alexander was top try scorer?
 
The torpedo

The torpedo

Peter Fenwicke (45)
MarkJ said:
Didn't Lancaster have the poms playing a reasonably attractive brand of rugby before he lost his bottle at the RWC and switched to a more conservative strategy?

And I don't recall too much scintillating back play when Fisher was head coach of the Brumbies. Weren't they the days when Ben Alexander was top try scorer?
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A prop being the top try scorer should always be a cause for celebration - not criticism :)
 
Gnostic

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
MarkJ said:
Didn't Lancaster have the poms playing a reasonably attractive brand of rugby before he lost his bottle at the RWC and switched to a more conservative strategy?



And I don't recall too much scintillating back play when Fisher was head coach of the Brumbies. Weren't they the days when Ben Alexander was top try scorer?
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Not worried so much about those aspects as technical development of players. Technically somebody like Fischer is brilliant at developing talent.
Lancaster did indeed have the Poms playing a good attacking style of play before the RWC but just like Deans decided to go safety first and play the percentage game at the RWC. I'd seriously suggest that Deans without the brilliant skills factory that is the Crusader system and a number of once in a generation players would have a record not dis-similar to Michael Foley. Need to look much deeper than such superficialities.
 
topgun

topgun

Billy Sheehan (19)
Gnostic said:
Of that list only Link, Fischer and maybe Stiles have any history for playing the sort of game needed to bring in new fans and importantly viewers. Gatland, Deans et al for various reasons would give the dead cat bounce if lucky.
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When you start winning, then you can talk about attractive brands of rugby. Nobody wants to support losers. Australian fans are that fickle because they can just switch the TV over to league or AFL.
 
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Ken Catchpole (46)
topgun said:
When you start winning, then you can talk about attractive brands of rugby. Nobody wants to support losers. Australian fans are that fickle because they can just switch the TV over to league or AFL.
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Thats a maybe. You don't know what it is like being a Force fan. We go into games expecting to lose. We generally don't mind losing- we just want to feeling like we are going somewhere. Playing risk aversive rugby will not develop our local players, will not inspire the fans and will cause a slow death for Rugby in WA. The Reds circa 2009 were dreadful at times but they were building in a clear direction toward 2010 and 2011. Then they started playing more conservatively and look where it has taken the team.
 
Gnostic

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
topgun said:
When you start winning, then you can talk about attractive brands of rugby. Nobody wants to support losers. Australian fans are that fickle because they can just switch the TV over to league or AFL.
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Tell that to the thousands of Tahs fans that left and haven't come back even though they made the semis and finals of the Super competition. As a Tahs fan you should understand that better than anybody.

Winning is nice, winning with crap dire rugby is boring and people turned off and walked away. I suppose that doesn't bother you as you are at base level support already and there is nobody left to disappoint.
 
topgun

topgun

Billy Sheehan (19)
Gnostic said:
Tell that to the thousands of Tahs fans that left and haven't come back even though they made the semis and finals of the Super competition. As a Tahs fan you should understand that better than anybody.

Winning is nice, winning with crap dire rugby is boring and people turned off and walked away. I suppose that doesn't bother you as you are at base level support already and there is nobody left to disappoint.
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DW that wallabies test taught me that there is plenty more disappointment where that came from
 
Gnostic

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
TOCC said:
You surely can't sign Lancaster after seeing what Eddie has managed to do with the same pool of players.
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Too much emphasis being placed on the Head coach and not enough on the totality of the coaching group. Remember Deans didn't get the ABs job post 2007 reportedly because he had no plan for assistants.

I would seriously argue that Lancaster failed because of his assistants and Eddie is achieving for the same reason, and Chieka is failing for the same reason IMO.

Lancaster could be good with the right assistants, along with any number of other candidates.
 
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Ken Catchpole (46)
Unfortunately, Gnostic, I doubt we have the money to pay for decent assistants.

We need a pretty hands on head coach.

I am not totally against the idea of Lancaster. He might have some ideas that are fresh to Super Rugby. We could certainly do worse.
 
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