Western Force 2015
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Peter Fenwicke (45)
The young Argentine finisher Manuel Montero is being chased by the Force as a replacement for Nick Cummins
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/u...ntina-or-move-down-under-20140911-10fd7k.html
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/u...ntina-or-move-down-under-20140911-10fd7k.html
GaffaCHinO
Peter Sullivan (51)
Doesn't sound like he's to keen on the idea.
Bowside
Peter Johnson (47)
Godwin is the only one with long term promise. Lilo and Inman are never going to be at the level of Nonu, SBW, Fofana or Devilliers etc.
farva
Vay Wilson (31)
My understanding is that players only get a top up after two years of being a Wallaby. This was the reason Ben Mowen left.
I would assume the same would apply to the Badger. He would get his top up after his second season in the squad.
farva
Vay Wilson (31)
So we have To'omua, Beale, Godwin. That is a reasonable depth.
Out on the wing we are short. Speight, To'omua, Cummins, Horne, ???
GaffaCHinO
Peter Sullivan (51)
The bad thing is he is eligible to play for England so we may never see him back.
Tomikin
David Codey (61)
Fuck
Forcefield
Ken Catchpole (46)
I'd be filthy at the ARU if he did end up playing for England. It's a tough one to judge though- how much is it the individual and how much is it the full 8?
Apparently Salesi Ma'afu was doing really well with Northampton. Which is a surprise because he was generally fucking hopeless at the Force.
Apparently Salesi Ma'afu was doing really well with Northampton. Which is a surprise because he was generally fucking hopeless at the Force.
Forcefield
Ken Catchpole (46)
I don't want to bring up the whole Karmichael Hunt debate but where the fuck are our priorities? Its not because of our backline that we continually lose to the All Blacks.
Tomikin
David Codey (61)
Agreed. and Karmicheal hunt.. He will be awesome and then make money... People gave Izzy shit till everyone realised it's still Izzy..
Benny A has given more to oz rugby and played better then Longbottom ever has..
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Ken Catchpole (46)
1. Neither is Hunt.
2. How do we know he is our 3rd tighthead? Pretty sure he had the wood on Kepu last time the Force and Tahs played and lets face it- the Force pack is not a big one. Longbottom also walks all over Kepu for workrate. In which position would Karmichael Hunt be better than our 3rd choice player?
3. The salary cap (~ $200k I think) is a tear drop in the ocean compared to what Longbottom was offered in the UK ($700k from memory).
My point of view is pretty reasonable in my opinion- if we are frequently embarrassed by the England scrum and an Australian player with limited recognition is good enough to get regular game time with a team with a better scrum then we have to be fucking up somewhere. Whether that is talent identification and development or coaching, I don't know. But, to me, something isn't right.
To be fair, I don't think Longbottom will play for England. He will come back to the Force after his two season in the UK.
I would also say that this isn't just an annoyed Force fan talking- I had the same opinion about Mowen's treatment.
Look we will probably never agree on this one so maybe it's just better to leave it.
2. How do we know he is our 3rd tighthead? Pretty sure he had the wood on Kepu last time the Force and Tahs played and lets face it- the Force pack is not a big one. Longbottom also walks all over Kepu for workrate. In which position would Karmichael Hunt be better than our 3rd choice player?
3. The salary cap (~ $200k I think) is a tear drop in the ocean compared to what Longbottom was offered in the UK ($700k from memory).
My point of view is pretty reasonable in my opinion- if we are frequently embarrassed by the England scrum and an Australian player with limited recognition is good enough to get regular game time with a team with a better scrum then we have to be fucking up somewhere. Whether that is talent identification and development or coaching, I don't know. But, to me, something isn't right.
To be fair, I don't think Longbottom will play for England. He will come back to the Force after his two season in the UK.
I would also say that this isn't just an annoyed Force fan talking- I had the same opinion about Mowen's treatment.
Look we will probably never agree on this one so maybe it's just better to leave it.
qwerty51
Stirling Mortlock (74)
You're right Longbottom is our best tighthead, that's why he's uncapped.
The fact that you're mentioned Mowen's treatment shows me you don't get it. These players are choosing to get overseas on their own. Mowen's issue wasn't even money it was to spend time with his family.
The fact that you're mentioned Mowen's treatment shows me you don't get it. These players are choosing to get overseas on their own. Mowen's issue wasn't even money it was to spend time with his family.
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Ken Catchpole (46)
I never said he was our best tighthead. I just think he is underrated. Don't put words in someone's mouth it is weak.
If you think that the Mowen issue was mostly about spending time with his family, we need to stop this discussion now.
If you think that the Mowen issue was mostly about spending time with his family, we need to stop this discussion now.
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