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NTA said:
Load of poo. Genia had a mistake free game. Good kicking, quick service and calm under pressure.
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Load of poo. Genia had a mistake free game. Good kicking, quick service and calm under pressure.
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Dave Cowper (27)
NTA said:
Throw him out???
You are having a laugh right?? Behind a pack that were being absolutely hammered off the ball at every ruck with no hint of resistance? Giteau and co. were lucky to get the amount of clean ball they got - and did nothing with.
Wish Burgess started so you could see what an average half would have looked like behind a pathetic pack like that. :
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Dave Cowper (27)
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Yeah - I'm pretty good at the written word so I'll give it a bash:
"No reason to throw him out just yet..."
Implying he had a shocker but stick with him for now because he's a "fair halfback"
He didn't have a shocker - he did as well if not better than any one would expect him to playing behind that pathetic excuse for a wallabies forward pack who were being counter-rucked off the ball whenever the Abs felt like it. His passes didn't fly in random directions nor did his box kicks go out on the full....
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Greg Davis (50)
Genia was pretty ordinary, the team were, i agree with the "dont throw him out yet" but he needs to be more busy when games are like that, a few darts and what not, his passing was off as well, if we could make a video of giteau jumping it would be fantastic.
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David Codey (61)
Genia was still much better than the average Burgess game.
I thought we had turned up to play and looked good with counter rucking and pressuring the AB ball in the first 15 minutes, then it all went to poop. I think the ABs have a tactic against us to soak up the pressure in the first 20, not try too much, and then really start attacking the ruck. They seem to know that we can't adjust tactics through the game, and run out of commitment at the breakdown if we haven't put a few trys on.
Mind you I think Joubert needs to learn the rules at the ruck again, last night I had thought we were playing a different game with the amount of ABs going off their feet at the ruck (looked like a squadron of black bombers crash landing at each ruck). Not to mention the offside rule (how on earth did he not see Thomson standing at halfback for us), or taking out players not involved in the ruck (Nonu has a tendency to go past the tackled area to block support players from the other team). Gagger, if you feel so inclined I'd love to see montage of the AB work at the ruck - just for a laugh.
Joubert truly is a joke - a yellow for a borderline tackle (although that could have been the touchie), plus a couple of calls that went our way at the ruck which I had no idea why, and then all the completely illegal work he allows around ruck. He has been by far the worst ref this 3N. I would rather have a non-nuetral kiwi ref in the Sloe games.
I thought we had turned up to play and looked good with counter rucking and pressuring the AB ball in the first 15 minutes, then it all went to poop. I think the ABs have a tactic against us to soak up the pressure in the first 20, not try too much, and then really start attacking the ruck. They seem to know that we can't adjust tactics through the game, and run out of commitment at the breakdown if we haven't put a few trys on.
Mind you I think Joubert needs to learn the rules at the ruck again, last night I had thought we were playing a different game with the amount of ABs going off their feet at the ruck (looked like a squadron of black bombers crash landing at each ruck). Not to mention the offside rule (how on earth did he not see Thomson standing at halfback for us), or taking out players not involved in the ruck (Nonu has a tendency to go past the tackled area to block support players from the other team). Gagger, if you feel so inclined I'd love to see montage of the AB work at the ruck - just for a laugh.
Joubert truly is a joke - a yellow for a borderline tackle (although that could have been the touchie), plus a couple of calls that went our way at the ruck which I had no idea why, and then all the completely illegal work he allows around ruck. He has been by far the worst ref this 3N. I would rather have a non-nuetral kiwi ref in the Sloe games.
The shithouse Wallabies performance last Saturday has left me in such a depressing fug I've attempted to put it out of my mind for the last three days. Unsuccessfully. Where shall I start:
The Pre-match Wind-up
To even think the ABs were going to swallow all the bullshit about this mediocre team getting done by us and end up as the first to lose three home tests in one year was insanity personified. We NEVER get an easy test in New Zealand. The ABs ALWAYS reckon they can beat us. The unjustified confidence in the press and Wallaby camp had the opposite effect of stirring the ABs into action.
The Players
How could these blokes play so well against the Boks one week and put in such a woeful performance just two weeks later? They should've known what was required to earn a win over another of our fellow SH giants. There should've been a feeling MORE effort and commitment was needed to beat the ABs. And yet we all saw the forwards, especially, stand around and leave the hard yakka to someone else.
Did these blokes play: Mitchell, Barnes, Pocock, Chisholm, Horwill and Moore. They should be investigated for accepting money under false pretences.
Out of his depth: O'Connor. I don't know what Australian rugby's going to do with this bloke as he's patently not up to playing fullback at test level. It gives me no joy to be proved right about James.
Young talent who had a horrendous learning experience: Genia, Alexander and Cowan.
Turned up but played poorly: Turner, Giteau and Smith.
Reasonable performance, can do much better: Elsom and Palu.
A pass mark: AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper), TPN and Robinson.
Selections
Henry out-smarted Deans here as he realised Dingo would want to go with the same team which beat the Bokke and delayed his so as to deny Deans a chance to match them. Henry also addressed the lineout problems by bringing in Donnelly and Thomson from Otago’s good lineout. This had another effect of showing up our poorly-balanced backrow. How many times have we gone with two fetchers in attempt to counter McCaw? Too many lately. And how many times has it worked? Never. Two fetchers will often work against the big slow Bokke forwards but not against the smaller more energetic ABs. Our backrow was imbalanced due to poor selection and it showed. Smith does his best work at 7, not 8.
Deans has a lot of work to do in the backs; I’m now starting to doubt his NZ/Crusaders’ style suits Australia. We’ve never gone with this two five-eighths’ model here and Dingo can’t seem to get it to work. Even when Gits played 12 outside Larkham he had a running rather than a directing role and maybe he should revert to that. The other major problem at the moment is lack of size in our backs: the ABs monstered us here on Saturday and every NH coach will have noted this carefully.
Tactics
We kick far too bloody much lately. Australia prided itself on the skill of our running game in years past; we seem to have lost the ability to get the ball through the hands and put a fellow back into space. I know modern defences have cut time and space down significantly but we were the most innovative rugby nation in years past. Surely we can work out a way through other backlines.
Our kick and chase was woeful. It was a mindless opportunity to give the ball away. And when we received the ball via AB kicks we did fuck all with it, or lost it through strenuous effort from the ABs.
Set pieces
All our kickoffs, giving and receiving, were atrocious. This is just basic skill which must be practised at training. Did we win one on Saturday night? We need to get an AFL ruck coach to improve our aerial skills at the kickoff.
Lineouts had the potential to be both a strength and a weakness. TPN’s throwing could always gift the ABs a few of ours while their poor lineout should’ve been targeted by us. Not so: TPN got all his throws while we didn’t pinch any of theirs. And blow me down, the usually-reliable Moore comes on and the ABs pinch two. Not good enough.
Scrum: if we didn’t know the ABs were going to attack this strong point of ours and put young Alexander through the mincer, well, we deserve what we got. Allied with our poorly-balanced backrow our locks went missing resulting in our scrum getting shunted. Not good enough.
Tackle and breakdown
Commitment at the breakdown defines New Zealand rugby and so it proved on Saturday night (God I’m sick of writing that). If opposing teams aren’t prepared to put their bodies on the line at every tackle and ruck they might as well not turn up. We didn’t.
Skills
Deans now realises the skills he thought the Wallabies had just aren’t there. I reckon he had an inkling of this last year and brought Richard Graham onboard to address the lack of skills. But it’s worse than he previously thought.
Summary
I suspect Deans has come to the depressing conclusion Australian rugby has neither the skills nor the depth at the moment. It’s not his fault, the fact most talented young sportsmen choose to play another game leaves rugby with a rather shallow pool. And the fact we don’t have a Currie Cup/NPC competition in Australia further weakens our rugby development. I sincerely hope the ARU treat this defeat as a seminal moment in our rugby history and do something about both western Sydney and a third-tier rugby competition.
Just thought of something else we did poorly.
The Pre-match Wind-up
To even think the ABs were going to swallow all the bullshit about this mediocre team getting done by us and end up as the first to lose three home tests in one year was insanity personified. We NEVER get an easy test in New Zealand. The ABs ALWAYS reckon they can beat us. The unjustified confidence in the press and Wallaby camp had the opposite effect of stirring the ABs into action.
The Players
How could these blokes play so well against the Boks one week and put in such a woeful performance just two weeks later? They should've known what was required to earn a win over another of our fellow SH giants. There should've been a feeling MORE effort and commitment was needed to beat the ABs. And yet we all saw the forwards, especially, stand around and leave the hard yakka to someone else.
Did these blokes play: Mitchell, Barnes, Pocock, Chisholm, Horwill and Moore. They should be investigated for accepting money under false pretences.
Out of his depth: O'Connor. I don't know what Australian rugby's going to do with this bloke as he's patently not up to playing fullback at test level. It gives me no joy to be proved right about James.
Young talent who had a horrendous learning experience: Genia, Alexander and Cowan.
Turned up but played poorly: Turner, Giteau and Smith.
Reasonable performance, can do much better: Elsom and Palu.
A pass mark: AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper), TPN and Robinson.
Selections
Henry out-smarted Deans here as he realised Dingo would want to go with the same team which beat the Bokke and delayed his so as to deny Deans a chance to match them. Henry also addressed the lineout problems by bringing in Donnelly and Thomson from Otago’s good lineout. This had another effect of showing up our poorly-balanced backrow. How many times have we gone with two fetchers in attempt to counter McCaw? Too many lately. And how many times has it worked? Never. Two fetchers will often work against the big slow Bokke forwards but not against the smaller more energetic ABs. Our backrow was imbalanced due to poor selection and it showed. Smith does his best work at 7, not 8.
Deans has a lot of work to do in the backs; I’m now starting to doubt his NZ/Crusaders’ style suits Australia. We’ve never gone with this two five-eighths’ model here and Dingo can’t seem to get it to work. Even when Gits played 12 outside Larkham he had a running rather than a directing role and maybe he should revert to that. The other major problem at the moment is lack of size in our backs: the ABs monstered us here on Saturday and every NH coach will have noted this carefully.
Tactics
We kick far too bloody much lately. Australia prided itself on the skill of our running game in years past; we seem to have lost the ability to get the ball through the hands and put a fellow back into space. I know modern defences have cut time and space down significantly but we were the most innovative rugby nation in years past. Surely we can work out a way through other backlines.
Our kick and chase was woeful. It was a mindless opportunity to give the ball away. And when we received the ball via AB kicks we did fuck all with it, or lost it through strenuous effort from the ABs.
Set pieces
All our kickoffs, giving and receiving, were atrocious. This is just basic skill which must be practised at training. Did we win one on Saturday night? We need to get an AFL ruck coach to improve our aerial skills at the kickoff.
Lineouts had the potential to be both a strength and a weakness. TPN’s throwing could always gift the ABs a few of ours while their poor lineout should’ve been targeted by us. Not so: TPN got all his throws while we didn’t pinch any of theirs. And blow me down, the usually-reliable Moore comes on and the ABs pinch two. Not good enough.
Scrum: if we didn’t know the ABs were going to attack this strong point of ours and put young Alexander through the mincer, well, we deserve what we got. Allied with our poorly-balanced backrow our locks went missing resulting in our scrum getting shunted. Not good enough.
Tackle and breakdown
Commitment at the breakdown defines New Zealand rugby and so it proved on Saturday night (God I’m sick of writing that). If opposing teams aren’t prepared to put their bodies on the line at every tackle and ruck they might as well not turn up. We didn’t.
Skills
Deans now realises the skills he thought the Wallabies had just aren’t there. I reckon he had an inkling of this last year and brought Richard Graham onboard to address the lack of skills. But it’s worse than he previously thought.
Summary
I suspect Deans has come to the depressing conclusion Australian rugby has neither the skills nor the depth at the moment. It’s not his fault, the fact most talented young sportsmen choose to play another game leaves rugby with a rather shallow pool. And the fact we don’t have a Currie Cup/NPC competition in Australia further weakens our rugby development. I sincerely hope the ARU treat this defeat as a seminal moment in our rugby history and do something about both western Sydney and a third-tier rugby competition.
Just thought of something else we did poorly.
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Bill Watson (15)
I finally got to watch the game and it was a shambles. Poor leadership, tactics and enthusiasm from all around the park. The only positive I can find is that they will hopefully now see how far they have to go to be number one.
What's the training schedule for the Wallabies? They look underdone in pretty much every facet of the game. If I was Deans I would have them on the training paddock 6 days a week.
What's the training schedule for the Wallabies? They look underdone in pretty much every facet of the game. If I was Deans I would have them on the training paddock 6 days a week.
Scarfman
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How can you score tries by passing the ball all the way across the field 10 metres behind the advantage line? As Deans said: it was a wee bit lateral.
The problem for the backs is the likelihood of getting turned over every time you go for a run. The adjustment that needed to take place was to run in close to the ruck and load up the breakdown, but it didn't happen.
The problem for the backs is the likelihood of getting turned over every time you go for a run. The adjustment that needed to take place was to run in close to the ruck and load up the breakdown, but it didn't happen.
cheezel
Bill Watson (15)
It mystifies me that the Wallabies aren't committing many forwards to each ruck, but there is still no support for anyone who makes half a break. Isn't the point of not having too many forwards in each ruck is so they can support the ball carrier on the next phase. Also, why are the backs running away from their support.
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Pretty good Lindo but Turner was terrible. Missed tackles all over the place.
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