tigerland12
John Thornett (49)
And your point is.......?
Waratahs vs Reds - Round 1 - 2012R01
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Hawko
Tony Shaw (54)
The thread on the second Tahs/Reds game last year burnt a hole in my computer screen it was so hot. This philosophical discussion about the nature of luck would be better conducted in a first year philosophy course. It ain't about the rugby.
Inside Shoulder
Nathan Sharpe (72)
I feel that if you follow the tahs you will have to develop a coping philosophy this year...but I may be wrong
waratahjesus
Greg Davis (50)
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...e-talks-the-talk/story-fnc2d2yx-1226286628733
well said drew, well said....
LETS get this clear at the outset, sledging is part of sport.
It is something that every rugby player has been involved in, whether it be giving some out or being on the receiving end. Mostly it’s both.
It might be verbal, it sometimes gets physical.
It happens in every game, and it happened for the 79 minutes prior to Tom Carter’s interaction with Digby Ioane in last weekend’s Queensland game.
Why Tom has been singled out and hammered all week is beyond me.
I am of the opinion that if something happens on the field in terms of sledging, it should stay out there.
It was unfortunate the comments about Tom were even brought up and turned into headlines in the first place.
But it was even more disappointing to see and hear some of the views expressed in sections of the media this week.
Some experts – including ex-players who should understand what goes on in games – have taken it to an unnecessarily personal level.
Instead of sticking to footy, some have questioned Tom’s character without knowing the guy and that’s pretty ordinary form.
Sure, Tom is the type of player who does get under people’s skin. He’s done it successfully to me in Super Rugby and club games.
When I came to the Waratahs, however, I finally got to know him and got to see there is a hell of a lot of value in having him on your team.
Tom is a passionate guy who is able to promote an emotional response from someone on the field. It distracts them from what they should be thinking about in the game.
They’re focused on how they can sledge back or put a hit on, and not what they’re supposed to be doing at the point in time.
That’s the way Tommy plays. And don’t for one minute think he’s the first to do it.
George Gregan was a master sledger. Willy Genia is a guy who always has a sharp line or two.
That’s not to say Tom Carter is, as some have alleged, just a bigmouth with limited talent.
Not only is he an invaluable team man around the Waratahs who always keeps enthusiasm and spirit high, he’s a very strong footballer.
Take a look at last year’s stats for Australian centres and tell me who outperformed Tom Carter.
Here’s just some of the categories he topped in that spot during the 2011 season: tries, runs, metres gained, linebreaks, tackle busts and tackles made.
He missed half as many tackles as the player with the second-highest tackle tally.
And that doesn’t even factor workrate, like his kick-chases or repeat efforts.
Tom doesn’t get the attention or plaudits other players get but he certainly deserves them.
When you are playing against him, you love to hate him.
But when you are playing with him, you know his true value to the group. And you wouldn’t change a single thing.
well said drew, well said....
LETS get this clear at the outset, sledging is part of sport.
It is something that every rugby player has been involved in, whether it be giving some out or being on the receiving end. Mostly it’s both.
It might be verbal, it sometimes gets physical.
It happens in every game, and it happened for the 79 minutes prior to Tom Carter’s interaction with Digby Ioane in last weekend’s Queensland game.
Why Tom has been singled out and hammered all week is beyond me.
I am of the opinion that if something happens on the field in terms of sledging, it should stay out there.
It was unfortunate the comments about Tom were even brought up and turned into headlines in the first place.
But it was even more disappointing to see and hear some of the views expressed in sections of the media this week.
Some experts – including ex-players who should understand what goes on in games – have taken it to an unnecessarily personal level.
Instead of sticking to footy, some have questioned Tom’s character without knowing the guy and that’s pretty ordinary form.
Sure, Tom is the type of player who does get under people’s skin. He’s done it successfully to me in Super Rugby and club games.
When I came to the Waratahs, however, I finally got to know him and got to see there is a hell of a lot of value in having him on your team.
Tom is a passionate guy who is able to promote an emotional response from someone on the field. It distracts them from what they should be thinking about in the game.
They’re focused on how they can sledge back or put a hit on, and not what they’re supposed to be doing at the point in time.
That’s the way Tommy plays. And don’t for one minute think he’s the first to do it.
George Gregan was a master sledger. Willy Genia is a guy who always has a sharp line or two.
That’s not to say Tom Carter is, as some have alleged, just a bigmouth with limited talent.
Not only is he an invaluable team man around the Waratahs who always keeps enthusiasm and spirit high, he’s a very strong footballer.
Take a look at last year’s stats for Australian centres and tell me who outperformed Tom Carter.
Here’s just some of the categories he topped in that spot during the 2011 season: tries, runs, metres gained, linebreaks, tackle busts and tackles made.
He missed half as many tackles as the player with the second-highest tackle tally.
And that doesn’t even factor workrate, like his kick-chases or repeat efforts.
Tom doesn’t get the attention or plaudits other players get but he certainly deserves them.
When you are playing against him, you love to hate him.
But when you are playing with him, you know his true value to the group. And you wouldn’t change a single thing.
S
spooony
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Don't know about that line. Do you really want to mouth off a guy lets say like Bakkies Botha? In cricket yes but in rugby you will 9/10 times end the match with your teeth in your pocket or stitches. You do not want to piss a guy off in a contact sport. Oh no
Schadenfreude
John Solomon (38)
So, the guy spends all his effort in a game deliberately trying to be an annoying wanker, then people can't understand why people think he's an annoying wanker?
Scotty
David Codey (61)
I'm sure that sledgers pick and choose who they sledge!
Scotty
David Codey (61)
And Mitchell even admits that when he played against him he loved to hate him!
rugbysmartarse
Alan Cameron (40)
or with Bakkies in the bin....
I play cricket and I think sledging is definitely part of the sport. I think it is best done when it is humorous though. As soon as it gets too negative it becomes nasty and unpleasant and detracts from the game.
It is most effective when it unsettles the opposition because it makes them laugh. Not because it makes them hate you and they become more determined to beat you.
My favourite cricket sledge recently is "this guy has less strokes than my lawnmower... and it's only a two stroke."
It is most effective when it unsettles the opposition because it makes them laugh. Not because it makes them hate you and they become more determined to beat you.
My favourite cricket sledge recently is "this guy has less strokes than my lawnmower... and it's only a two stroke."
suckerforred
Chilla Wilson (44)
I think in a moment of passion everybody has had a go at the oposition. Well said Drew.
spectator
Bob Davidson (42)
I'm not a Tom Carter basher but his actions and words in the 80th minute weren't sledging. That was plain bad sportsmanship which turned around to bite him on the arse.
I'm with Wamberal. Not a fan of sledging even though some of it, particularly in cricket, is clever and humorous. I'm probably one of a minority who thought Gregan's "four more years" was poor form.
I'm with Wamberal. Not a fan of sledging even though some of it, particularly in cricket, is clever and humorous. I'm probably one of a minority who thought Gregan's "four more years" was poor form.
suckerforred
Chilla Wilson (44)
I agree that it was poor form. And boy now I would love to smack him up the back of the head because that is all I, and any other Wallabies supporter, has copped for the last 4 months. Haveing said that I can understand that in the heat of the moment things get said.
BPC
Phil Hardcastle (33)
You mean a different coping mechanism from the various ones we have had to adopt over the past dozen+ years?
BPC
Phil Hardcastle (33)
Are you implying he was feigning so as to get some attention from Dr Sharon?
Inside Shoulder
Nathan Sharpe (72)
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