Waratahs v Reds Rnd 1 2016

[Pfitzy]

Lol!

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That, is you.

This, is me, truthing the shit out of that set of scrums:

 

[Gnostic]

At the time, whilst applauding Beale, I was think CFS? WTF? Should have done much better against a tackle that high

I was just thinking how good is Grey at teach defence and the attitude that goes with it. Throughout the RWC and some telling tackles like that he has taken a fellow known to be a regular turnstile and made him effective.

 

[TOCC]

Brumbies scrum won't be any easier, will the Tahs go uncontested scrums 2 from 2

 

[Lindommer]

Decided to not put up a match report until I'd checked a few things on a recording of the game. My impressions:

• Tahs' backline play in the first half was exactly what Gibson will add to Cheika's foundations. Lovely to watch.
• Blue scrum and lineout need a LOT of work. But, I never want my team to play their best game in round 1, leave the sparkling, ensemble performances until later in the season, much later.
• If those scrummaging and lineout wins are all the Reds've got it's going to be a long, long season for them.
• The two H newbies did very well (Holloway's now not a fill-in), although Horwitz will be down on himself for those couple of handling errors. Forget 'em, you done well son. Don't do it again!
• I was in the front row of the upper deck, an excellent pozzy to watch progress (or not) up the ground. In the first half most of the times the Reds had the ball THEY WENT BACKWARDS!
• The Tahs must find the mental toughness and hunger to go on and put weak sides like this to the sword, the second half was a classic case of taking the foot off the pedal.
• Referee: on checking my (incomplete) recording the Reds were awarded 11 penalties in the second half to the Tahs two. The times were 43:45, 48:40, 52:40, 54:45, 55:50, 57:30, 65:45, 68:15, 68:20, 70:40, 72:40, 77:00 & 77:50. The replay next day went straight from the penalty at 72:40 to Tilse's YC at 77:00, I seem to recall a few more scrum penalties immediately before he was carded. And the second Tahs' penalty at 68:20 was Talaki's YC for not being back 10m from the first, effectively the same penalty. By my count the whistle went 11+: 1 against the Tahs in the second half. I was there on the night, I didn't think the Tahs were pushing the envelope and I agree with Pfitzy, a coupla those scrum penalties were in error. One, the scrum of Tilse's card, HE WAS STILL HOLDING HOLMES'S JUMPER AS GREG KISSED THE TURF. And the (knowledgeable) commentators reckoned Jeremy illegally slipped his bind! Crap. Gardiner was on the other side and he guessed. As a rugby fan of many decades, and a former referee, that sequence of penalties against one team was hard to fathom, the ref was guilty of the age-old referee's sin of only looking at one side. Not good enough, Angus.
• As a former secretary of Sydney's most successful prop factory, Wests Junior Rugby, it shits me to tears to read of Weeks, Sio and the two Ala'alatoas playing elsewhere while watching the Tahs' scrum get mullered. I've put my thoughts up here on who should be kept among the fatties, does no one from Tahs HQ read my posts?
• Tahs' defence was excellent all night, especially at the end.

In summary, the Tahs were ordinary with some parts very good, a curate's egg I suppose. As for the Reds: they were shithouse, extremely lucky to lose by 20.

 

[Quick Hands]

^^^^^Excellent analysis.

 

[Ash]

That, is you.

This, is me, truthing the shit out of that set of scrums:

At 1:40:00 of that video, 7 man Reds scrum on 8 man Tahs scrum, Reds prop with no blindside, and to me it looks like the Tahs THP (Ryan?) loses body position and Faagase follows him in. Faagase might have been able to hold better if he had a blindside. Looks to me like Ryan (?) was really struggling to hold the weight. Latu and Tilse actually go down together while Ready stays up which also agrees with the premise that Tilse couldn't take the weight.

The Reds were half way to the tryline when Holmes went down. Holmes may have slipped his bind, or Tilse may have slipped his. Either way, with the Reds going forward and clearly man shaming an 8 "man" scrum with 7 men, only one team is ever going to be penalised.

Where's my truthing reward?

Of course, if the Reds had watched the 2011 game at Suncorp, they would have known that the longer that set of play went on the more likely one scrum would hold (as it happened, it went uncontested anyway). Or they could have asked Phil Waugh, I'm sure he remembers it well.

One still wonders why Simmons take the lineout when the ref gave him the chance after unconditional scrums were called. I don't think that Simmons has a mind like Eales, sadly.

 

[Pfitzy]

How do you type so much on dialup?

 

[Gnostic]

Its pretty telling that as posted on the Reds thread the link to the analysis of last years "thrashing" 23 to 5 was very similar to this game. Even the margin is so close. Forget the distractions like "Phipps not releasing", "scrums" etc. The questions that need to be asked is why do the Tahs still have such underperforming set pieces (Securing first phase is essential) and what has Richard Graham learnt or changed from last year?

At least if we can combine the Brumbies, Tahs and Reds set pieces we will have a handy Wallabies side. After this weekend the only team that I see has really improved over the off-season and developed their game to the required degree is the Brumbies, though like the Tahs the weakness at THP may well bite them against the stronger scrummaging sides.

 

[Pfitzy]

Brumbies started red hot, and will need to maintain it.

Tahs not so much, but you don't win titles in February. Scrum was extremely disappointing

 

[Scrubber2050]

And that's a penalty try is it, as per your first post? Laughable.

Actually, whether or not Beale let go of CFS or not is irrelevant as he doesn't stop CFS from placing/playing the ball. (if Beale had been holding onto CFS's foot, would that have mattered? No)

The person who does stop that is Phipps who is over the top of him before either Neville or the Reds 8 arrives. How the f*ck were the Reds deadset to score a try in that situation?

The penalty against CFS is for Phipps being hands on, not Beale. Phipps' knee crouches onto CFS when Neville goes flying over the top and then holds onto Phipps' foot while he's then on the ground.

Summary
The scene is simple - CFS gets tackled and isolated by Beale and Phipps' good work. The Reds botch a try and then are miles off the pace in support and poor at the cleanout (a second row on a 9 FFS!).

And yet you two bleat about inconsequential/imagined technicalities.

You may or may not be aware that rugby is full of technicalities. You may think they are inconsequential . Referees generally are very technical.
You may say well the pass was only a little forward and the try would have been scored so we'll let that one go. Same with offside and so many types if infringements at rucks and mauls.

I was not disappointed with KB (Kurtley Beale) - thought he did a great tackle. Am pissed off at the sub-standard referee - Gardiner

 

[Blue]

How do you type so much on dialup?

What's dialup?

Is that the NBN?

How do you get it?

Carn tell.

 

[Blue]

Loved the Kurtley "tackle" but why did she have to go and and take a flop like that?

 

[Pfitzy]

What's dialup?

Is that the NBN?

How do you get it?

Carn tell.

The NBN we're getting is dialup. Or at least it will feel like it in a decade. If it ever gets built.

 

[Blue]

National Bongobongo Network.

Photo taken inside NBN's new high tech data center this morning. They announced an upgrade apparently.

I will pay for NBN tomorrow if I could. I can't get enough bandwidth. At the moment I have three ISP's just because I can't afford downtime. I managed to actually speak to a human at NBN the other day. Asked when they thought we would see it rolling out our way and the person kind of said that he has no fucking clue in a long roundabout , jibbery jabbery sort of way.

 

[cyclopath]

Any more NBN shit gets nixed. Take it to Whirlpool!
Footy, folks.

 

[Pfitzy]

Footy, folks.

Hey, the Reds started it - by not playing rugby. What else we gonna talk about?

 

[dru]

Scrums

 

[boyo]

Any more NBN shit gets nixed. Take it to Whirlpool!
Footy, folks.

But cycling and cricket are OK.

 

[TOCC]

So, those last few scrums.

Firstly, we have the reserve LHP for QLD (Fa'agaase?) folding like a cheap table but Ryan get penalised.

Subsequently, Greg Holmes loses his inside bind on the hooker (Ready?) and twists outwards, but Tilse gets a card, despite doing nothing wrong.

Gardner was playing square-upsies so hard those last few scrums it was painful.

Nahhh that's not how it played out..

First scrum was Tahs feed, Holloway was pinged for reaching through the scrum to pull the ball back from TPN's feet:

2nd scrum:
Reds drove forward 5m before Tahs front row twisted scrum and buckled.. You can see how far they moved forward based off the Swisse sponsorship:

3rd scrum
Paddy Ryan goes to knees

4th scrum: scrum collapses on Tilse/Holmes side and ref calls reset

5th scrum:
Tilse breaks his bind(which is illegal) and changes it from the back of Holmes to binding on the pants of Holmes(again illegal) that is why Tilse was rightfully yellow carded.

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[TOCC]

One more... Ref says the Reds weren't going forward therefore weren't entitled to a penalty try, again take note of where the Swisse sponsorship is between the first scrum and the last:

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