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Waratahs 2025

The GroundsKeeper

Chris McKivat (8)

Overtime

Sydney Middleton (9)
I don't see them being competitive next year given Bell, Gleeson, Leota are all leaving. I cannot see Taniela staying either. Yes they are bringing in Samu, however at 33 I would have preferred Leota or Gleeson to have stayed.
 

A mutterer

Chilla Wilson (44)
I don't see them being competitive next year given Bell, Gleeson, Leota are all leaving. I cannot see Taniela staying either. Yes they are bringing in Samu, however at 33 I would have preferred Leota or Gleeson to have stayed.
Depends which samu turns up - pistol Pete or seagull samu

Gleeson and Bell are the big losses.
 

The Ghost of Raelene

Phil Kearns (64)
The pack definitely takes a step back without Bell. Any pack in the world would without him. With questions around Hooker and Flyhalf it's not good signs but we should expect some more signings with the players leaving.

At minimum equal wins with a much improved +/- and the blooding of guys like Doyle through the year would be good to see.
 

Rob42

Alan Cameron (40)

Seems very fair and along the lines of what most think.

Build from the base up.
Yes, and I think this is more likely to happen under the administration of RA than previously. Hopefully they can stay the course through another difficult year next year and not succumb to the temptation to sack the coach for another new shiny thing.
 

Froggy

Alan Cameron (40)
There is something desperately wrong with the culture at the Tahs, and has been for some time, effectively ever since Cheika left the room. The reflex response is to blame the coach, but I think it goes deeper than that. Dan was a successful coach at the Brumbies, Penney is having success at the Saders, but no-one can at the Tahs. Yes, there are some weaknesses around the positions, particularly in the second row and 10, 12 and 13, but there were a couple of games during the year, particularly v the Brumbies and the Chiefs, that demonstrated the ability is actually there but they so rarely operate at their maximum level, and often a mile short of it.

I don't know what must be done to rectify it, but at least Dan appreciates that this is a long-term problem and therefore not a quick fix. We will sorely miss Bell and Gleeson next year, who were without any question our two best forwards in an otherwise mediocre pack, with the so-called boost from the Rebels resulting in a significantly under-performing TT and Leota, both of whom looked like they didn't want to be there and are unlikely to be severely missed. One thing I really liked about Dan's comments were those about developing young players into long term Tahs. There is some real potential talent among guys like Botha, Talataina, Wilson, Bowen, O'Donnell, JAS, Jorgo and Lancaster, plus others behind them that haven't had a crack at Super rugby yet, if they can be developed and with them a change in culture, there could be a tomorrow!
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
Staff member
Yeah a few of the incoming "stars" ( and a few of our "elders") didn't seem to look like they bought into the "project" and were just marking time until they could get out of dodge

There were moments where we looked like a team, just not enough of them

We have bought in some elder "leaders" again, hopefully the rest of the comes from the kids who are demonstrating the attitude from the pathways
 

Homer

Ted Thorn (20)
The pack will be brand new almost. No Vailanu, Bell, Heaven, Leota probably Tupou, sinclair and Gleeson.
Front row currently means
Hookers: Dobbin, Porecki (so desperately need another Hooker)
Props: Kailea, Simone, Lambert, Botha, Brown and Barrett. (doesn't exactly strike fear in the opposition)
2nd row: Phillips, Grant, FLW (Fergus Lee-Warner), Amatosero (not too bad)
Back row: Gamble, Talataina, Adamson, Kalapu (think he may be gone), Halaholo and Samu. (hopefully Talataina can step up, has good potential but not sure a Talataina, Gamble, Samu backrow is well balanced). Doyle likely to be upgraded into top squad.

So from the survivors the starting pack is something like:
Lambert Porecki Botha
Phillips Grant
Gamble Samu Talataina

A fairly light pack without a line bending ball runner but very strong lineout.

Hooker the main recruitment area with one more tight head. Brown and Barrett probably nervous about their contracts. Ive noticed brown starting some games off the bench for Gordon.

Goddard has missed the season so needs game time and Tiitii and Langi need time in Grade.
 

The Ghost of Raelene

Phil Kearns (64)
There is something desperately wrong with the culture at the Tahs, and has been for some time, effectively ever since Cheika left the room. The reflex response is to blame the coach, but I think it goes deeper than that. Dan was a successful coach at the Brumbies, Penney is having success at the Saders, but no-one can at the Tahs. Yes, there are some weaknesses around the positions, particularly in the second row and 10, 12 and 13, but there were a couple of games during the year, particularly v the Brumbies and the Chiefs, that demonstrated the ability is actually there but they so rarely operate at their maximum level, and often a mile short of it.

I don't know what must be done to rectify it, but at least Dan appreciates that this is a long-term problem and therefore not a quick fix. We will sorely miss Bell and Gleeson next year, who were without any question our two best forwards in an otherwise mediocre pack, with the so-called boost from the Rebels resulting in a significantly under-performing TT and Leota, both of whom looked like they didn't want to be there and are unlikely to be severely missed. One thing I really liked about Dan's comments were those about developing young players into long term Tahs. There is some real potential talent among guys like Botha, Talataina, Wilson, Bowen, O'Donnell, JAS, Jorgo and Lancaster, plus others behind them that haven't had a crack at Super rugby yet, if they can be developed and with them a change in culture, there could be a tomorrow!
Two things with this.

- A lot of the noise does come externally. The Tahs are disliked by everyone else and that's fine and fair but they also seem to lead the bashing as soon as anything falters. A lot of Tahs fans accept the shit and understand to a degree, but everyone else loves to put the boot in which makes it seem louder than it probably is. Same thing happens with saying pre-season champs. Now I love to banter with the back-back-back-back pre season world champs crap but no Tahs fans (@Derpus maybe) thought the Tahs would do anything special this year.

- Slowly it seems the toxic old Club warts are disappearing from the scene who thought the Waratahs in the Pro world should run like the Waratahs of the 70s - 90s. This is mostly through age and I hope the GM/CEO can hold firm in developing a a franchise which is what it is and not just a senior rep side of the SS which is what those old germs think it is. Your'e not throwing away history, your'e running a fully professional organisation.

If they can buy in and back a bloke for a tenure the talent is there but it requires time to undo the BS and set standards.
 

Major Tom

Alex Ross (28)
The pack will be brand new almost. No Vailanu, Bell, Heaven, Leota probably Tupou, sinclair and Gleeson.
Front row currently means
Hookers: Dobbin, Porecki (so desperately need another Hooker)
Props: Kailea, Simone, Lambert, Botha, Brown and Barrett. (doesn't exactly strike fear in the opposition)
2nd row: Phillips, Grant, FLW (Fergus Lee-Warner) (Fergus Lee-Warner), Amatosero (not too bad)
Back row: Gamble, Talataina, Adamson, Kalapu (think he may be gone), Halaholo and Samu. (hopefully Talataina can step up, has good potential but not sure a Talataina, Gamble, Samu backrow is well balanced). Doyle likely to be upgraded into top squad.

So from the survivors the starting pack is something like:
Lambert Porecki Botha
Phillips Grant
Gamble Samu Talataina

A fairly light pack without a line bending ball runner but very strong lineout.

Hooker the main recruitment area with one more tight head. Brown and Barrett probably nervous about their contracts. Ive noticed brown starting some games off the bench for Gordon.

Goddard has missed the season so needs game time and Tiitii and Langi need time in Grade.
You could pick up Max Craig for next to nothing. He would be a depth player for sure. When did Goddard do his ACL?
 

The Ghost of Raelene

Phil Kearns (64)
There's 3-4 Craig level Hookers in Club land.

Goddard did it at the start of the year so he'll be right for pre season but such a rookie he may be blooded but we cant expect anything major.
 
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