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Nathan Sharpe (72)
Has he even played Shute Shield?
Before we get to that: which school did he go to?
Has he even played Shute Shield?
According to The Roar, the review of the Waratahs set-up (not just Coleman) will be run by Mike Chu, who's "High Performance Elite Education Manager" at World Rugby, and was for several years in coaching development at NZR.
This comment is why Rugby is on the decline. Its the pathways that are broken and not working and those who are in charge of selection should be held accountable just like the coach will be. The best player should always be selected not the best prospect. The Tahs selected him because they had no one else in there system and are not prepared to think out of the box. Hence the position we are in at NSW.Because it's a smarter option to blood a young prop who looks to have endless potential over picking someone who realistically isn't going to excel any further than 1st Grade Shute Shield. It's such a simple concept that you can't grasp. He literally played the first 20 minutes to cover someone who got injured on match day.
This comment is why Rugby is on the decline. It’s the pathways that are broken and not working and those who are in charge of selection should be held accountable just like the coach will be. The best player should always be selected not the best prospect. The Tahs selected him because they had no one else in there system and are not prepared to think out of the box. Hence the position we are in at NSW.
That, and no real pro or semi-pro comp below supper means most of the players actively pushing for a contract a 23 or younger. Once they finish uni/training and get a start on their actual careers there's not as much time and energy to devote to the rugby.Arguably the problem for Australian Super Rugby is that squad depth isn’t deep enough.
Limitations on squad sizes($$$) means clubs have to juggle sacrificing potential versus seasons players.
Incorrect- the Waratahs aren’t a representative side; they are a professional franchise. They selected their seventh string prop to play 20 minutes against the Melbourne Rebels- let’s not get too hysterical.This comment is why Rugby is on the decline. Its the pathways that are broken and not working and those who are in charge of selection should be held accountable just like the coach will be. The best player should always be selected not the best prospect. The Tahs selected him because they had no one else in there system and are not prepared to think out of the box. Hence the position we are in at NSW.
Correct we don't have the $$$ to run the same pathways as NRL/AFL etc so our pathways need to include Shute Shield otherwise you have a limited player pool to call upon. Pathway players should dominate at shute shield comps and that often dose not happen.Not really, this happens in every major code(NRL/AFL/HAL) in Australia, where a younger player with a higher ceiling is contracted and brought into the squad over an older player with less potential.
All clubs and codes also have enterprise agreements, salary caps and financial implications which limit them from selecting players outside the squads.
Arguably the problem for Australian Super Rugby is that squad depth isn’t deep enough.
Limitations on squad sizes($$$) means clubs have to juggle sacrificing potential versus seasons players.
Pathway players should dominate at shute shield comps and that often dose not happen.
No nrl clubs have many feeder clubs who give constant opportunities for players in lower grades to reach the NRL.. happens all the time … union your basically washed up if your not in super rugby academy by 19Not really, this happens in every major code(NRL/AFL/HAL) in Australia, where a younger player with a higher ceiling is contracted and brought into the squad over an older player with less potential.
All clubs and codes also have enterprise agreements, salary caps and financial implications which limit them from selecting players outside the squads.
Arguably the problem for Australian Super Rugby is that squad depth isn’t deep enough.
Limitations on squad sizes($$$) means clubs have to juggle sacrificing potential versus seasons players.
Because he is in the program and we have run out of other choices. I don't think it was anyone's plans that he would being playing any minutes this year, but to drag a club prop with no fitness base?Why are we picking someone at the Super rugby level that doesn't play 1st grade at his club. Short term fix, but it would seem that anyone playing 1st grade Shute shield should be able to scrummage better than him.
I would have thought Shute Shield Grade Teams and Colts teams would be a feeder for the Tahs. An opportunity to watch players from their pathway programs and not in their pathway in a suitable game situation.Why should they?
Everyone agrees that the 20 year old prop who has barely played any games at an adult level is going to get beaten at scrumtime by a 30 year old with a ton of experience. No one is giving the 20 year old a professional contract because they think they're better than the 30 year old. They're given a contract because they are among the best of their age cohort and picked as someone with significant potential to develop in the future.
This is how professional sport works. I don't understand why so many people have an issue with this.
You don't have an option to only sign the best players right now and expect that the best young players will just play Shute Shield for the next few years until you're ready to sign them to a contract. They will just take up an opportunity elsewhere.
It’s extremely rare that a player makes their NRL debut without being in one of the NRL academies or in a supplementary list from the moment they leave school these days, or at least by the age they’re 19. Outside of the Top 30, NRL clubs also carry a supplementary player list of up to 10 players earning about $65k each, essentially an academy group who play for in these ‘feeder clubs’, these players cant be picked for NRL except for circumstance around injuries.No nrl clubs have many feeder clubs who give constant opportunities for players in lower grades to reach the NRL.. happens all the time … union your basically washed up if your not in super rugby academy by 19
I would have thought Shute Shield Grade Teams and Colts teams would be a feeder for the Tahs. An opportunity to watch players from their pathway programs and not in their pathway in a suitable game situation.
What you are saying is if they are not in the academy and pathway program they will never get an opportunity even if they perform better in a game.
The game is quickly running out of money and your solution is carry on, the system is working well. We are producing great front rowers.
Loads of players moves up from NSW cup to the nrl all the time ..what r u on about …It’s extremely rare that a player makes their NRL debut without being in one of the NRL academies or in a supplementary list from the moment they leave school these days, or at least by the age they’re 19. Outside of the Top 30, NRL clubs also carry a supplementary player list of up to 10 players earning about $65k each, essentially an academy group who play for in these ‘feeder clubs’, these players cant be picked for NRL except for circumstance around injuries.
Which isn’t a whole lot different to what rugby does however NSWRL & QRL are at higher levels of professionalism then SS/QPR, rugby just cant afford as many or pay as much. If Australian Super Rugby teams had the comparative squad sizes as to what the NRL has, then each Australia Super Rugby team would have a squad of 54 contracted players, which is about 20 more players then they currently have.
Loads of players moves up from NSW cup to the nrl all the time ..what r u on about …
lol I love how you guys will defend ur terrible feeder system within a inch of ur life its hilarious.. no one wonder rugby is dead in this country …
Nothing good.Any news on Bell?
A lot of those players already have contracts with the NRL team.
The NSW Cup is a combination of players fully contracted to an NRL team on either a top 30 contract or a development contract (which have different salary cap rules) and players who are essentially playing for beer money.
We're not defending rugby's feeder system, merely explaining the concept of professional sporting teams to people who seemingly have no idea how they work.