Waratahs 2014

[Braveheart81]

I thought that RUPA sides with the medical directive, but aren't happy with the communication or lack there of with the patient/player.

Folau was clearly told by the specialist he visited that there was some risk involved. He had decided that he was right to play based on that advice. Surely RUPA should be siding with the desire of the player so long as they've had access to sufficient medical advice.

What? That the ARU, as the employer, takes an active interest in the welfare of a highly paid employee who is engaged in a relatively dangerous occupation?

What's messy about that?

The ARU aren't his sole employer. He's also employed by the Waratahs. You'd argue that outside test season, the Waratahs are his main employer.

 

[ShtinaTina]

No, their interest in their investment is fine.

The mess will be with future injuries & their handling of them. Hopefully their communication avenues are clear by then. The problem rests as it's been mentioned several times is the lack of communication & the ignoring of the protocols set for this event.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

There's no conspiracy here, IS, just monumental incompetence.

/quote]
No way.
I will not hear such talk.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

No, their interest in their investment is fine.

The mess will be with future injuries & their handling of them. Hopefully their communication avenues are clear by then. The problem rests as it's been mentioned several times is the lack of communication & the ignoring of the protocols set for this event.

The mess is this: how is the ARU going to keep any sort of handle on the relative health of all the players when they are scattered from Invercargill to Pretoria seeing local specialists with a variety of injuries?
So they have accepted they have responsibility (either that or there Is more than one class of player and they only care about some of them) but they cannot as a matter of logistics discharge that responsibility.

 

[I like to watch]

Why does everyone refer to Link as the ARU?

 

[ShtinaTina]

Izzy is back! ARU cleared him.

 

[Quick Hands]

It's just another example of the chaotic and dysfunctional administration of the game. Not content with micromanaging the JGC, the ARU is now going to micromanage the injury management of all professional rugby players in Australia, but as usual it will be done in a half-arsed way. The ARU doctor won't personally examine the patient, he/she will speak to a doctor who has examined the patient and then form a view. In my experience when dealing with medical professionals, it depends very much on the terms of the question put:

Version 1
"Is he fit to play?" "Yes."

"Is he at risk by playing?" "There is always a risk in contact sport, but it is unlikely."

Version 2
"Can you guarantee he will not aggravate the injury by playing?" "No."

 

[Brumby Jack]

Cheika's judiciary hearing has been postponed to next Thursday

 

[Iluvmyfooty]

The ARU aren't his sole employer. He's also employed by the Waratahs. You'd argue that outside test season, the Waratahs are his main employer.

I would argue whoever pays the higher wage is always the main employer.

 

[RugbyReg]

Cheika's judiciary hearing has been postponed to next Thursday

reinforcing the judiciary room door hinges?

 

[Brumby Jack]

reinforcing the judiciary room door hinges?

Those in glasshouses......

 

[Quick Hands]

Out of interest, what is the actual charge that Cheika is facing?

 

[Quick Hands]

I would argue whoever pays the higher wage is always the main employer.

I can be corrected, but I don't think that's how employment law works. I would have thought that as it is April and he is training with the Waratahs, playing for the Waratahs and under the care of the Waratahs coaching, medical and support staff - that his employer at the moment is the Waratahs.

Out of interest, what is the ARU/NSWRU split in terms of wages? 50/50 or something else?

 

[Pfitzy]

Internment is definitely an interesting way to describe Izzy's situation

Interment, not internment.

Stupid fucking autocorrect.

 

[Pfitzy]

Half price family pass purchased.

The seats are better than my bloody membership!

 

[boyo]

I would argue whoever pays the higher wage is always the main employer.

What about the larger number of hours determining who's the main employer?

 

[Train Without a Station]

I could be way off the mark here, but I think these discussions about who is technically his main employer are absolutely pointless and it came down to nothing about who has "rights" over Izzy. More likely the ARU flexed a bit of muscle, said he's on an ARU top up, if you play him your grant may be less next time round.

 

[Quick Hands]

Although it seems that 5 days later, the problem no longer exists.

 

[I like to watch]

Maybe neither can be deemed the main employer.
Possibly both have veto rights?
Love to see Links reaction if Cheika returns the favour later in the year,and equally refuses to risk IF playing with an existing injury!

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Half price family pass purchased.

The seats are better than my bloody membership!

As they always are: the reason, as I told them at the time, I did not renew and have not renewed.
You get better seats taking pot luck week to week.
Great way to keep the faithful faithful.