Waratahs 2013

[I like to watch]

If it is the Tahs, then his position is untenable.

 

[Richo]

That mooted coaching team (Gaffney-Mumm, etc.) is terrible. Which means it's probably what we'll get.

(And yes, I am talking myself into having the lowest possible expectations for change to minimise my resentment when they ask me to renew my membership).

 

[Braveheart81]

The 2012 Blue Blood Membership will be renamed the Terminal Haemorrhage Membership in 2013.

I can't understand why Greg Mumm isn't one of the people on the chopping block. Surely our defence was one of our biggest problems in 2012, particularly when compared to previous years.

 

[I like to watch]

You can't single out Mumm.
Which of the coaching staff were successful?
What part of the Tahs game improved?
Even the kicking coach had shit results.
They may succeed elsewhere, but the current playing roster have proven they don't respond well to these guys.
Send them all on gardening leave.

 

[Braveheart81]

Goal kicking was good! Who coaches that?

 

[Jets]

What's Chris Hickey up to? He managed to get the Tah's to the finals.

 

[TOCC]

The players should have zero input into coaches... It's hardly like the teams accomplished and proven..

 

[waratahjesus]

There is zero issue with the players being consulted. Benn didn't say he wanted to chose the coach. He wants to be consulted, it doesn't mean he is listened to or has more influence, just that the process is transparent for the players. Whois actually responsible forthe decision anyway? All year the board has come under question, now their better equipped to make a rugby decision in everyone's opinion?

Jake white should pull his head in Til he coaches the brumbies to at least a win over a top 6 team let alone the finals.

 

[Ghibli]

There is zero issue with the players being consulted. Benn didn't say he wanted to chose the coach. He wants to be consulted, it doesn't mean he is listened to or has more influence, just that the process is transparent for the players. Whois actually responsible forthe decision anyway? All year the board has come under question, now their better equipped to make a rugby decision in everyone's opinion?

Jake white should pull his head in Til he coaches the brumbies to at least a win over a top 6 team let alone the finals.

I guess the fact that he's won the Rugby World Cup is of a lesser value than beating a S15 top six side.
Lots of other people should pull their heads in before he does.

 

[waratahjesus]

I guess the fact that he's won the Rugby World Cup is of a lesser value than beating a S15 top six side.
Lots of other people should pull their heads in before he does.

The world cup is relevant to his resume, the fact that he took over an underperforming brumbies side and managed them to an overinflated mid table finish doesn't translate into him knowing and understanding every market and team in the como. If mckensie spoke it would have weight and relevance, when jake speaks all that needs to be said is that he and the team credited Eddie Jones with the world cup win.

 

[qwerty51]

This is hilarious, Jake White has come out and slammed Robinson for wanting to be apart of the coach selection process yet Pocock was on record that he was involved in the Force's process as well...

 

[Braveheart81]

I would normally say that the players shouldn't be involved in discussions about who the new coach should be but I think given the current situation where the coach, manager and chairman have all left and there is speculation over the CEO, the players are the only constants left in the equation.

Their word certainly shouldn't be gospel, but it should be considered. The players need to remain engaged in the organisation.

 

[Slim 293]

This is hilarious, Jake White has come out and slammed Robinson for wanting to be apart of the coach selection process yet Pocock was on record that he was involved in the Force's process as well.

It's almost as if he was directly asked a question about Robinson and the Tahs.......

 

[Empire]

This is hilarious, Jake White has come out and slammed Robinson for wanting to be apart of the coach selection process yet Pocock was on record that he was involved in the Force's process as well.

Well, sure, Pocock may have had input over at the Force, but he'd be in no doubt as to who is the boss in Brumbies land - Whites word is law around Austin St. - and it's been great.

Robinson et all may have the best intentions, but continually having factions pulling different ways (between admin, players, coaching etc) is where teams fall apart. It's exacerbated in clubs as large as the Waratahs.

 

[TOCC]

There is zero issue with the players being consulted. Benn didn't say he wanted to chose the coach. He wants to be consulted, it doesn't mean he is listened to or has more influence, just that the process is transparent for the players. Whois actually responsible forthe decision anyway? All year the board has come under question, now their better equipped to make a rugby decision in everyone's opinion?

Jake white should pull his head in Til he coaches the brumbies to at least a win over a top 6 team let alone the finals.

What is their to consult though? I don't understand what requirement their is to keep the player group all informed if they are going to have zero input, this is what the 'Players Representative'(Al Baxter) is for. Benn should be focussing on his Wallaby training and not going into meetings at NSWRU to have a list of possible coaching candidates presented to him.

One would hope that the Chairman(formerly Zemancheff) would have the ultimate word on coach..in liaision with the board obviously.. so essentially the board needs to appoint a new chairman before they go appointing a new coach.


Priority 1 - New Chairman

Priority 2 - New Coach (chairmans decision)

Priority 3 - New 'Team Manager' (coaches decision)

A strong relationship needs to be established between the coach and the chairman, similar to what has unfounded at the Reds and down in Canberra as well...

 

[barbarian]

TOCC that interview was posted on the previous page.

 

[waratahjesus]

TOCC - as I said above, in an organisation that has reported a breakdown in communication between the playing group and board. Having your captain leave for wallaby training being told who his coach etc was next year then in 7 days having the chairman and coach leave, him saying he would like to be consulted is akin to him saying he would like transperacy.

Jake whites comment of not asking to chose your CEO at a job is stupid, if management changes at a job then often personnel will leave or at least look for their opportunities elsewhere. Why as a player wouldn't you want to know the direction your club was heading in so you had a better opportunity to access your position at it?

 

[Badger]

The Jason Allen interview didn't really reveal anything that a Tahs supporter wouldn't already be aware of. A waste of space. He did come across as evasive in some of his replies. As some have said, if the Tahs are the team rorting the salary cap, then he should go quicksmart.

As for Growden not knowing the CEO is not on the board, he's even sloppier (or lazier) in his research than I give him credit for.

Jake White's comment about the chairman or CEO is a bit of a stretch. More relevant to most people if he were to say you don't get to chose the person to whom you directly report to. However, I would have thought it would be more diplomatic for him to not comment on another province's internal affairs on the record.

 

[Slim 293]

TOCC - as I said above, in an organisation that has reported a breakdown in communication between the playing group and board. Having your captain leave for wallaby training being told who his coach etc was next year then in 7 days having the chairman and coach leave, him saying he would like to be consulted is akin to him saying he would like transperacy.

Jake whites comment of not asking to chose your CEO at a job is stupid, if management changes at a job then often personnel will leave or at least look for their opportunities elsewhere. Why as a player wouldn't you want to know the direction your club was heading in so you had a better opportunity to access your position at it?

Is Benn Robinson's contract up?

 

[fatprop]

Yeah key personnel are never consulted in the big wide world.


The have no transferable skills and would never be employed anywhere else. So they are simply easily replaced drones who should do as there told.