Wallaby Winger of the Decade

[cyclopath]

Proved my point, WJ. If you watch him at first, Gear is keeping pace then gets absolutely smoked as Turner picks up speed. So too McDonald who thought he had him covered only to be proved way wrong.
To be a threat, Turner needs to be put into some space at pace, so the inside backs need to move it quickly through the hands as there, or have fast flat passing (eg cut-out) in front of the player. He got that ball in a hole so could really wind up, rather than getting it flat footed, and having to try to beat the man early in no space (i.e. jinking / stepping or somesuch). The Tahs did none of that this year, and the Wallabies precious little too.

 

[waratahjesus]

turner is great off the mark, i dont think that video prived your point at all, he regularly causes problems off the mark, he ran slower in that vid so he could create the space to get around him, he lured him towards him instead of trying to burn him from the outset, guy is quick as a whip.

i think every winger looks better when they have a run up and are hitting the line at space though, surely even habana and code would prefer this?

 

[Lindommer]

To be a threat, Turner needs to be put into some space at pace, so the inside backs need to move it quickly through the hands...

Spot on, Pedallist. There was bugger all play like this in 2009 as Keep-it Carter chose to tuck the pill under his arm barge ahead without a thought of passing it. Gee, he caused the Tahs a lot of damage this year.

Interesting to note this move started with a good pass from Sheehan to SNK and then to Turinui before reaching Turner. First three handlers, all gone.

 

[cyclopath]

turner is great off the mark, i dont think that video prived your point at all, he regularly causes problems off the mark, he ran slower in that vid so he could create the space to get around him, he lured him towards him instead of trying to burn him from the outset, guy is quick as a whip.

i think every winger looks better when they have a run up and are hitting the line at space though, surely even habana and code would prefer this?

Well, we have to agree to disagree on that. Having watched it a few times, I think he just got faster, rather than some sort of sprinting "rope-a-dope" routine to suck anyone in. Leon got done by a subtle in and away, nothing more, nothing less.
Anyway I didn't say he was a slug off the mark, I said he was not as explosive as some, and his real threat is his top speed.

 

[waratahjesus]

not starting an argument man, just disagree, i think he is fantastic off the mark, i think the tahs problems that were eluded to previously in him not getting space to be explosive, same problem the wallabies have, spinning the ball wide while putting it in front of runners, its just about the basic skill set of australian rugby players being worse than it was five years ago.

 

[cyclopath]

not starting an argument man, just disagree, i think he is fantastic off the mark, i think the tahs problems that were eluded to previously in him not getting space to be explosive, same problem the wallabies have, spinning the ball wide while putting it in front of runners, its just about the basic skill set of australian rugby players being worse than it was five years ago.

On that, WJ, we can wholeheartedly agree!

 

[Spook]

Proved my point, WJ. If you watch him at first, Gear is keeping pace then gets absolutely smoked as Turner picks up speed. So too McDonald who thought he had him covered only to be proved way wrong.
To be a threat, Turner needs to be put into some space at pace, so the inside backs need to move it quickly through the hands as there, or have fast flat passing (eg cut-out) in front of the player. He got that ball in a hole so could really wind up, rather than getting it flat footed, and having to try to beat the man early in no space (i.e. jinking / stepping or somesuch). The Tahs did none of that this year, and the Wallabies precious little too.

Turner needs to offer a lot more than speed to make the Wallabies. He hasn't shown much at all for Oz. He needs to be stronger in contact and break the odd tackle. His defense is also suspect.

 

[waratahjesus]

i actually think rob horne could be a good winger for australia in the same way ioane plays 13/14, he is a great defender, blistering speed and strong in the tackle, having the two of them running off each other wouldnt be bad

 

[cyclopath]

Proved my point, WJ. If you watch him at first, Gear is keeping pace then gets absolutely smoked as Turner picks up speed. So too McDonald who thought he had him covered only to be proved way wrong.
To be a threat, Turner needs to be put into some space at pace, so the inside backs need to move it quickly through the hands as there, or have fast flat passing (eg cut-out) in front of the player. He got that ball in a hole so could really wind up, rather than getting it flat footed, and having to try to beat the man early in no space (i.e. jinking / stepping or somesuch). The Tahs did none of that this year, and the Wallabies precious little too.

Turner needs to offer a lot more than speed to make the Wallabies. He hasn't shown much at all for Oz. He needs to be stronger in contact and break the odd tackle. His defense is also suspect.

Indeed, and that was also what I was getting at earlier. He is fast, but doesn't do much else, so if the right conditions aren't there to use his pace, he is less effective as a winger.
But I still would like at least one winger with x-factor, than 2 industrious plodders who are all-rounders and make few mistakes, but not really special at any one thing.

 

[Scarfman]

Turner is superquick off the mark and everywhere else. He is rugby class, but in a slightly underachieving way. Like Joe Roff, but not as good.

 

[Spook]

I really want Turner to come good. Just been underwhelmed so far. If he was a touch more explosive he'd do a lot better.

Fanifo is still too flakey for international rugby. Too many errors. Needs a consistent season.

 

[spectator]

i actually think rob horne could be a good winger for australia in the same way ioane plays 13/14, he is a great defender, blistering speed and strong in the tackle, having the two of them running off each other wouldnt be bad

You may be right WJ but it would mean squandering one of the best Centre talents this country has seen for a while.

 

[Spook]

i actually think rob horne could be a good winger for australia in the same way ioane plays 13/14, he is a great defender, blistering speed and strong in the tackle, having the two of them running off each other wouldnt be bad

You may be right WJ but it would mean squandering one of the best Centre talents this country has seen for a while.

Keep Horne at 13.

 

[waratahjesus]

i actually think rob horne could be a good winger for australia in the same way ioane plays 13/14, he is a great defender, blistering speed and strong in the tackle, having the two of them running off each other wouldnt be bad

You may be right WJ but it would mean squandering one of the best Centre talents this country has seen for a while.

i know what your saying, but currently at international level we dont really have fantastic wingers in my opinion, if were going to move ioane to 13 then playing horne outside him instead of not playing him at all might be a go. i like having strong wingers and both ioane and horne fit that bil and gets them both on the field.

 

[RugbyReg]

if he proved his fitness, and had a full S14 season of quality, I'd prefer Horne at 13 and Diggers on the wing.

 

[Biffo]

if he proved his fitness, and had a full S14 season of quality, I'd prefer Horne at 13 and Diggers on the wing.

Agree. Attack powerful. Defensive capability very strong. X factor.

 

[Moses]

Anyway I didn't say he [Turner] was a slug off the mark, I said he was not as explosive as some, and his real threat is his top speed.

I've seen Lachie charge down 3 or maybe 4 conversion attempts, something I don't recall any other playing having done, so I would argue that he's exceptionally quick off the mark.

i like having strong wingers and both ioane and horne fit that bil and gets them both on the field.

Horne's defense is immense, for not a massive bloke he puts on some huge hits

 

[fatprop]

Turner is superquick off the mark and everywhere else. He is rugby class, but in a slightly underachieving way. Like Joe Roff, but not as good.

Turner hasn't converted his S14 form into test rugby yet, but he will, he has real pace and a proper work ethic; on and off the field.

 

[Newb]

anyone else think that attempting to use horne's pacy-ness on the wing could be a bad thing for his hammies? maybe he needs to work on his running stride/mechanics to avoid further problems. i think i've heard of other athletes doing something along those lines.

either way, i also think he's best suited at centre

 

[cyclopath]

Horne at 13, Diggers at wing works better for me. Ioane could be devastating running off a good centre, and as a defensive unit there would be few concerns, as long as Digby avoids lifting them too much!