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Wallaby Squad Predictions 2010!

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AIDAN

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Thats what i would have said about Chambers, he was only a mediocre league player. theres a lot of hype surround Gasnier with suggestions he would be straight in for the next World Cup Squad. is he any good overseas? i havent watched him play
 
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Spook

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AD said:
Thats what i would have said about Chambers, he was only a mediocre league player. theres a lot of hype surround Gasnier with suggestions he would be straight in for the next World Cup Squad. is he any good overseas? i havent watched him play

He's been a real let down to be honest. Hasn't sparkled at all.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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AD said:
Thats what i would have said about Chambers, he was only a mediocre league player. theres a lot of hype surround Gasnier with suggestions he would be straight in for the next World Cup Squad. is he any good overseas? i havent watched him play

Chambers was better than average, he became a regular starting centre for the Storm, they have players of the right "attitude" and work ethic.
 
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Spook

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fatprop said:
AD said:
Thats what i would have said about Chambers, he was only a mediocre league player. theres a lot of hype surround Gasnier with suggestions he would be straight in for the next World Cup Squad. is he any good overseas? i havent watched him play

Chambers was better than average, he became a regular starting centre for the Storm, they have players of the right "attitude" and work ethic.

and he's only 21.
 

HG

Jimmy Flynn (14)
Seb V said:
cyclopath said:
HG said:
Seb V said:
Im really not fussed about the wallabies wingers. For me none of them are complete stands outs but most of them should be able to get a decent job done. If it was NZ id pick Sivitatu or SA habana 100% of the time but for aus im not that fussed. Im more concerned about the centre pairings and fullback positions. Lets get that right first!

Habana can't pass a ball nor can Sivitatu. Yes they are quick and strong runners but the new crop of Australian wingers have great ball skills.
Come world cup I would be picking Australian over both of the above
Habana usually doesn't need to.

Sure it would be nice for a winger to have ball skills but seriously do they even have to pass the ball that often? they are wingers for christ sake. Id pick the speed of habana, defence (how many bloody try savers has he made), Kick chase, finishing, footwork, over australias wingers with good ball skills any day!

Gone are the days when the wingers just stay out wide and catch and run. You are living in the past.
Look at the Reds wingers running angles in the centre of the park and offloading in tackles.
These players go looking for the ball. Habana the intercept king can't pass and as he gets slower you will the intercept dry up and try's scored against him instead.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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HG said:
Seb V said:
cyclopath said:
HG said:
Seb V said:
Im really not fussed about the wallabies wingers. For me none of them are complete stands outs but most of them should be able to get a decent job done. If it was NZ id pick Sivitatu or SA habana 100% of the time but for aus im not that fussed. Im more concerned about the centre pairings and fullback positions. Lets get that right first!

Habana can't pass a ball nor can Sivitatu. Yes they are quick and strong runners but the new crop of Australian wingers have great ball skills.
Come world cup I would be picking Australian over both of the above
Habana usually doesn't need to.

Sure it would be nice for a winger to have ball skills but seriously do they even have to pass the ball that often? they are wingers for christ sake. Id pick the speed of habana, defence (how many bloody try savers has he made), Kick chase, finishing, footwork, over australias wingers with good ball skills any day!

Gone are the days when the wingers just stay out wide and catch and run. You are living in the past.
Look at the Reds wingers running angles in the centre of the park and offloading in tackles.
These players go looking for the ball. Habana the intercept king can't pass and as he gets slower you will the intercept dry up and try's scored against him instead.

Disagree, Habana is the business and the perfect highlight tape for any winger to try to emulate.

He works his arse off every game, chases every kick hard, tackles anything near him hard, is very safe under the high ball, kicks well in clearance and scores plenty of tries.
 
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TOCC

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Habana set the benchmark in terms of speedy wingers, his style suited the way that south africa and the bulls played, he sat behind a massive forward pack and a quite big backline as well.

In saying that, Australia in the past have played a different style of attack and defence that wouldnt have suited Habana quite so much, in the past australian teams have liked to use there wingers in a backrow forward style. Using them to truck it up the midfield and use power and size to get past the advantage line.



Both have there pro's and con's, right now fast wingers suit the Reds because they are playing a fast style of game, if however the Reds were playing a slower more steady game they would probably need some big wingers or backs to get over the advantage line.
 
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AIDAN

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i know the current conversation is on wingers but Higginbotham has got to be there either in the pack or on the bench. from what ive seen he has been in some great form.
 

DPK

Peter Sullivan (51)
AD said:
i know the current conversation is on wingers but Higginbotham has got to be there either in the pack or on the bench. from what ive seen he has been in some great form.

He's got to at least be in the squad. I would have the Elsom - Pocock - Hodgson 6,7,8 combination, with Brown and Higginbum in the squad (Brown deserves another go).
 

Reddy!

Bob Davidson (42)
DPK said:
AD said:
i know the current conversation is on wingers but Higginbotham has got to be there either in the pack or on the bench. from what ive seen he has been in some great form.

He's got to at least be in the squad. I would have the Elsom - Pocock - Hodgson 6,7,8 combination, with Brown and Higginbum in the squad (Brown deserves another go).

Not just yet he doesn't, has been able to show anything this season due to injury and was rubbish last season for the Wobs.
 

DPK

Peter Sullivan (51)
Reddy! said:
DPK said:
AD said:
i know the current conversation is on wingers but Higginbotham has got to be there either in the pack or on the bench. from what ive seen he has been in some great form.

He's got to at least be in the squad. I would have the Elsom - Pocock - Hodgson 6,7,8 combination, with Brown and Higginbum in the squad (Brown deserves another go).

Not just yet he doesn't, has been able to show anything this season due to injury and was rubbish last season for the Wobs.

Agree to disagree.
 

Viking

Mark Ella (57)
DPK i was also all for Adam Ashley-Cooper for being the wallabies 13. He has all the attributes of a strong runner and hard worker, much like mortlock. But recently (after readin many posts in these forums) I've come to realise the importance of the number 13 being able to set-up your outside man. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) while our most consistant wallabies performer last year (with his strong runs/defence) didnt pass the ball that often, and i doubt his offloading capabilities. However his sheer yards he gains over the advantage line surely does outweigh this negative. So i would still stick him at my aussie 13 anyday.

However after watching Will Chambers and his potential (hornes too), his offloading skills were superb, and he is also a big strong runner with good defence. He has more potential at OC as in time he could be able to do all the things AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) can do (run hard/straight/get over the advantage line) as well as a few extra (offload, pass, kick, set up his outside men). and with a good year away untill the RWC, i do believe he could just have enough time to make the jersey his own.

If this was a RWC year AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) would be the best 13 option, But Im all for shifting chambers in their (off the bench to begin with first) and start developing him asap.

Ps. Didnt mention diggers. I think digby is a winger cos he also doesnt set up his outside man as much, and also runs every what direction to get past his man (which he does bloody well). But this prob makes it worse for his outside man. The only reason for sticking him at 13 would be so he can get his hands on the ball more, cos lets face it every time he does he fucking ripps it up. But from a technical point of view it probably would be wiser to have a straight runner at 13.
 

Reddy!

Bob Davidson (42)
DPK said:
Reddy! said:
DPK said:
AD said:
i know the current conversation is on wingers but Higginbotham has got to be there either in the pack or on the bench. from what ive seen he has been in some great form.

He's got to at least be in the squad. I would have the Elsom - Pocock - Hodgson 6,7,8 combination, with Brown and Higginbum in the squad (Brown deserves another go).

He deserves another shot at Wallaby level on what? He might actually start to play good, that is a risk. Or because Palu is now out? There are better contenders.

Giteau and Barnes deserve another shot at Wallaby level, Brown is not in their league. Gotta show something first.

Not just yet he doesn't, has been able to show anything this season due to injury and was rubbish last season for the Wobs.

Agree to disagree.
 
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Spook

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Seb V said:
DPK i was also all for Adam Ashley-Cooper for being the wallabies 13. He has all the attributes of a strong runner and hard worker, much like mortlock. But recently (after readin many posts in these forums) I've come to realise the importance of the number 13 being able to set-up your outside man. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) while our most consistant wallabies performer last year (with his strong runs/defence) didnt pass the ball that often, and i doubt his offloading capabilities. However his sheer yards he gains over the advantage line surely does outweigh this negative. So i would still stick him at my aussie 13 anyday.

However after watching Will Chambers and his potential (hornes too), his offloading skills were superb, and he is also a big strong runner with good defence. He has more potential at OC as in time he could be able to do all the things AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) can do (run hard/straight/get over the advantage line) as well as a few extra (offload, pass, kick, set up his outside men). and with a good year away untill the RWC, i do believe he could just have enough time to make the jersey his own.

If this was a RWC year AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) would be the best 13 option, But Im all for shifting chambers in their (off the bench to begin with first) and start developing him asap.

Ps. Didnt mention diggers. I think digby is a winger cos he also doesnt set up his outside man as much, and also runs every what direction to get past his man (which he does bloody well). But this prob makes it worse for his outside man. The only reason for sticking him at 13 would be so he can get his hands on the ball more, cos lets face it every time he does he fucking ripps it up. But from a technical point of view it probably would be wiser to have a straight runner at 13.

Good post Seb. My logic as well. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) to wing/fullback.
 

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Nick Farr-Jones (63)
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Seb V said:
AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) while our most consistant wallabies performer last year (with his strong runs/defence) didnt pass the ball that often, and i doubt his offloading capabilities.

Downside of the fend
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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Gagger said:
Seb V said:
AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) while our most consistant wallabies performer last year (with his strong runs/defence) didnt pass the ball that often, and i doubt his offloading capabilities.

Downside of the fend

Mortlock wasn't exactly a distributor at 13 either
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
Gagger said:
Seb V said:
AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) while our most consistant wallabies performer last year (with his strong runs/defence) didnt pass the ball that often, and i doubt his offloading capabilities.

Downside of the fend

Chambers seems to have both - fend with the left and one handed back flick pass with the right.

He is also a ball hog though. Hopefully this is just a league hangover and will change.
 
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chief

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Chambers, I think needs the two games in the Australian Barbarians. If good enough from both club and those games, he should go on the end of year tour. To say that he should play in the Tri-Nations is certainly a bit steep, he is no where near ready enough for that stuff yet.

Chambers needs a lot more experience in Rugby. Let's just hope he has chosen a quality coach to play under in Premier Rugby, who knocks the ball hog out of him.
 

en_force_er

Geoff Shaw (53)
Reddy! said:
DPK said:
AD said:
i know the current conversation is on wingers but Higginbotham has got to be there either in the pack or on the bench. from what ive seen he has been in some great form.

He's got to at least be in the squad. I would have the Elsom - Pocock - Hodgson 6,7,8 combination, with Brown and Higginbum in the squad (Brown deserves another go).

Not just yet he doesn't, has been able to show anything this season due to injury and was rubbish last season for the Wobs.

I think you both have a point about Brown. Though he does have 4 or 5 more S14 games to show his worth.

I doubt you'd put two extremely similar players (Browny/Higgers) in the same may day 22. They are both too similar in play, temperament and positions covered.
 
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