Wallaby Coaching Staff

[Scrubber2050]

Murphy wasn't on the High Court when Mabo was handed down. The decision was 6:1, hardly a heartbeat.

Incorrect historical reference corrected.

Lindo

my apologies for unintentional misleading

 

[Scrubber2050]

You're one of the only people who thinks he should be sacked.

I think the major reason there isn't noise in the media about it is that most people accept there isn't anyone better for the job.

If we finish the season winning 6 from 15 test matches it will go down as a poor season but I doubt there will be much noise at all suggesting that Cheika should be sacked.

Reread my post Braveheart

If only 6 out of 15 then noises will be made. Reality bites again for you. The media hounds will make plenty of noise IF we only get 6 out of 15 - and they should. Something would be wrong. Or do you advocate that all is well, we are rebuilding and success will surely follow. You may be happy and content with results like that - I for one, am not.

I've said it before that i think Cheika is the best Aussie coach running around - no question. But your undying and blind support and failing to acknowledge his inadequacies makes me chuckle.

 

[Braveheart81]

Reread my post Braveheart

If only 6 out of 15 then noises will be made. Reality bites again for you. The media hounds will make plenty of noise IF we only get 6 out of 15 - and they should. Something would be wrong. Or do you advocate that all is well, we are rebuilding and success will surely follow. You may be happy and content with results like that - I for one, am not.

I've said it before that i think Cheika is the best Aussie coach running around - no question. But your undying and blind support and failing to acknowledge his inadequacies makes me chuckle.

I understood your post perfectly.

I just disagree with you that there will be substantial noise in the media about replacing Cheika if the season pans out that way.

It didn't happen after we lost the first five tests this year and I don't think it will happen if we finish the season with two losses in our last three games to finish 6 from 15 for the year.

I am not providing Cheika undying support. I am speculating what the media reaction will be and I disagree with you that they will be calling for his head.

 

[Scrubber2050]

Disagree with me all you like - I've come to expect that of you even on my most reasonable posts

But when you attempt to single me out as some kind of Cheuka hater I get pissed off at that. The bloke is the national coach and is a valid topic for criticism, particularly with a win ratio he currently enjoys.

As I said if he wins the Grand Slam he will be one of the greatest coaches. I also said he was under the pump.

 

[Braveheart81]

Are you serious?

You posted in the Wallaby Coaching Staff thread and I replied and then you accused me of singling you out.

 

[Scrubber2050]

Are you serious?

You posted in the Wallaby Coaching Staff thread and I replied and then you accused me of singling you out.

Yep

 

[dru]

It's completely legitimate to criticise any coach, let alone a coach with this sort of record.

My annoyance has been directed at Larkham and Grey but I'm no longer confident that is appropriate. We are still left with the question of "if not Cheika, then who?" I'm sticking with Chek for now.

I also note the current ramblings on the Aus Barbarians team. I just cant imagine that the conversation would be like this if Link was still in control. Yes I know that Link was more of a "Head of rugby" style than "Head coach" style. But something seems missing in the Aus coach organisation.

Cheika does afterall have to do his day job.

 

[Sully]

Murphy wasn't on the High Court when Mabo was handed down. The decision was 6:1, hardly a heartbeat.

Incorrect historical reference corrected.

Great memory old fella

 

[Scrubber2050]

Lindo

my apologies for unintentional misleading

Lindo
Again, my apologies I was actually thinking of Franklin River matter which was decided 4 to 3

 

[Tip]

I don't understand.

In what world, is the worst Wallaby Coach ever considered safe for his job? (objectively, subjectively and personally speaking)

The only reason his heads above the 50% win ratio is because of matches against Uraguay and USA.

That's pathetic. 4/12 for the year is pathetic. His gameplan and the personnel he picks to execute it have been inconsistent and disastrous.

Then there's him saying "If we drop x because of y last week, we have to drop z because of y this week". Yet his favorites are immune from being benched - let alone dropped - regardless of performance week-in week-out.

I said it before and I'll say it again.

You know your Head Coach is cooked when the majority of AUS rugby supporters want a board of selectors. That alone says we have lost faith in Chieka's ability to be impartial, let alone coach.

 

[fatprop]

I don't understand.

In what world, is the worst Wallaby Coach ever considered safe for his job? (objectively, subjectively and personally speaking)

The only reason his heads above the 50% win ratio is because of matches against Uraguay and USA.

That's pathetic. 4/12 for the year is pathetic. His gameplan and the personnel he picks to execute it have been inconsistent and disastrous.

Then there's him saying "If we drop x because of y last week, we have to drop z because of y this week". Yet his favorites are immune from being benched - let alone dropped - regardless of performance week-in week-out.

I said it before and I'll say it again.

You know your Head Coach is cooked when the majority of AUS rugby supporters want a board of selectors. That alone says we have lost faith in Chieka's ability to be impartial, let alone coach.

yeah, nah

"the majority of AUS rugby supporters want"

 

[Micheal]

I don't understand.

In what world, is the worst Wallaby Coach ever considered safe for his job? (objectively, subjectively and personally speaking)

The only reason his heads above the 50% win ratio is because of matches against Uraguay and USA.

That's pathetic. 4/12 for the year is pathetic. His gameplan and the personnel he picks to execute it have been inconsistent and disastrous.

Then there's him saying "If we drop x because of y last week, we have to drop z because of y this week". Yet his favorites are immune from being benched - let alone dropped - regardless of performance week-in week-out.

I said it before and I'll say it again.

You know your Head Coach is cooked when the majority of AUS rugby supporters want a board of selectors. That alone says we have lost faith in Chieka's ability to be impartial, let alone coach.

Just to reiterate fatprop: yeah, yeah ... nah regarding the "majority" of fans wanting a board of selectors. I think this might be confirmation bias.

Further, this is something I think often gets misunderstood: Cheika doesn't have to be impartial.

He simply chooses the players he thinks are best to fulfill his goals: whether that is to win the game on the weekend or to build a squad for RWC 2019. He is a very straight up guy and there is no doubt in my mind he selects players purely for that purpose and not because of any of the multiple conspiracy theories that are oft floated around.

If he thinks a player is the best long-term option, he might, and he has every right to, play them until they hit the form he thinks they're capable of.

As I've mentioned in previous posts, he's turned teams around from underperforming units to very sucessful units, and is often prepared to sacrifice results in the short-term for long-term success.

I have great faith in him and I very much consider this year as a rebuilding year - just look at the amount of debutants.

Not only that, I think its quite evident the players have great faith in him. Pocock was quoted as saying he was very seriously retiring from Rugby completely until the Wallabies season leading to the last RWC, where the fire in his belly and his passion for Rugby was relit. Genia also said the same things, and said Cheika's role as a coach made him really want to represent the Wallabies again. I think he'll come good.

Lastly, he will not be sacked, regardless of performance, unless things are exceptionally dire or a scandal emerges. The ARU simply does not have the cash to pay out his contract, and it would be silly for them to even attempt to do so.

For better or worse he's ours until the next World Cup.

 

[Scrubber2050]

Just to reiterate fatprop: yeah, yeah . nah regarding the "majority" of fans wanting a board of selectors. I think this might be confirmation bias.

Further, this is something I think often gets misunderstood: Cheika doesn't have to be impartial.

He simply chooses the players he thinks are best to fulfill his goals: whether that is to win the game on the weekend or to build a squad for RWC 2019. He is a very straight up guy and there is no doubt in my mind he selects players purely for that purpose and not because of any of the multiple conspiracy theories that are oft floated around.

If he thinks a player is the best long-term option, he might, and he has every right to, play them until they hit the form he thinks they're capable of.

As I've mentioned in previous posts, he's turned teams around from underperforming units to very sucessful units, and is often prepared to sacrifice results in the short-term for long-term success.

I have great faith in him and I very much consider this year as a rebuilding year - just look at the amount of debutants.

Not only that, I think its quite evident the players have great faith in him. Pocock was quoted as saying he was very seriously retiring from Rugby completely until the Wallabies season leading to the last RWC, where the fire in his belly and his passion for Rugby was relit. Genia also said the same things, and said Cheika's role as a coach made him really want to represent the Wallabies again. I think he'll come good.

Lastly, he will not be sacked, regardless of performance, unless things are exceptionally dire or a scandal emerges. The ARU simply does not have the cash to pay out his contract, and it would be silly for them to even attempt to do so.

For better or worse he's ours until the next World Cup.

I actually agree with some of your post, particularly the last paragraph.

However your comments in paras 2, 3 and 4 give the basis as to why criticism (good or bad, depending on results) of the Coach is justified. HE makes all the decisions - fine I accept that and whilst a board of selectors may work and therefore dilute any criticism of the coach personally I believe the coach should be the sole selector. Being the sole selector is a double edged sword.

By the way would you please expand on what you would consider "exceptionally dire" ?

 

[Tip]

"the majority of AUS rugby supporters want"

I can't take you seriously Fatprop.

One minute you're rubbishing me for saying I read the Roar.

The next minute you're disagreeing with me for saying a majority want a board of selectors.

Do you not see the irony in your statements?

How can you know what the feel of the AUS Rugby public is if you don't leave your echo chamber?

 

[Micheal]

I can't take you seriously Fatprop.

One minute you're rubbishing me for saying I read the Roar.

The next minute you're disagreeing with me for saying a majority want a board of selectors.

Do you not see the irony in your statements?

How can you know what the feel of the AUS Rugby public is if you don't leave your echo chamber?

I read /r/rugbyunion and haven't heard it mentioned once there. I also play for a Subbies club, play in touch competitions, play Viva 7s, have worked for a governing Union (won't say which) and have countless friends that play for and work within 5+ different Shute Shield clubs.

Literally never once heard it mentioned across all of those circles.

A selection board is a silly idea and the Roar is a cess pit. Just my opinion.

 

[Scrubber2050]

Don't worry Tip !

I;ve heard that proposal put up many many and many tmes.

Seems to work in some sports but rarely (I think) in Our game, mingo, poofball and AFL

 

[fatprop]

I can't take you seriously Fatprop.

One minute you're rubbishing me for saying I read the Roar.

Nah, I rubbished you for not being aware enough of your own biases and using confirmation bias (I am aware of my own)

The next minute you're disagreeing with me for saying a majority want a board of selectors.

Well it is rubbish

Do you not see the irony in your statements?

Nup

How can you know what the feel of the AUS Rugby public

When did you become the mouth piece of the Aus rugby public

is if you don't leave your echo chamber?

pot/kettle

 

[Tip]

I read /r/rugbyunion and haven't heard it mentioned once there. I also play for a Subbies club, play in touch competitions, play Viva 7s, have worked for a governing Union (won't say which) and have countless friends that play for and work within 5+ different Shute Shield clubs.

Literally never once heard it mentioned across all of those circles.

A selection board is a silly idea and the Roar is a cess pit. Just my opinion.

It sounds like your circles are exclusively in NSW so therein lies your problem. The coach is a NSW'men, who almost exclusively favours NSW'men in all 50/50 calls. (Hooper/Pocock, Mumm/Fardy, Foley/Cooper, Skelton/anyone, )

Most peoples criticism of The Roar centre around David Lord and Spiro Zavos, which is completely understandable. But I don't feed trolls, so I don't read them. The user-submissions are some of the highest quality amateur pieces I've had the pleasure of coming across.

If you're not reading article by Geoff Parkes (Allanthus), Nick Bishop, Diggercane, Harry Jones and Elisha Pearce, you're poorer for it.


The Roar has a larger reader and comment base than here. G&GR is a cess-pit to most people at The Roar too.
It's a bit like the pot calling the kettle black, except one pots quite a bit bigger.

 

[Tip]

pot/kettle

Considering I attending a larger echo chamber in addition to the single one that you are currently frequenting...

I wouldn't say pot/kettle, I'd probably say pen/crayon.

 

[Micheal]

It sounds like your circles are exclusively in NSW so therein lies your problem. The coach is a NSW'men, who almost exclusively favours NSW'men in all 50/50 calls. (Hooper/Pocock, Mumm/Fardy, Foley/Cooper, Skelton/anyone, )

Most peoples criticism of The Roar centre around David Lord and Spiro Zavos, which is completely understandable. But I don't feed trolls, so I don't read them. The user-submissions are some of the highest quality amateur pieces I've had the pleasure of coming across.

If you're not reading article by Geoff Parkes (Allanthus), Nick Bishop, Diggercane, Harry Jones and Elisha Pearce, you're poorer for it.


The Roar has a larger reader and comment base than here. G&GR is a cess-pit to most people at The Roar too.
It's a bit like the pot calling the kettle black, except one pots quite a bit bigger.

This is all based in opinion so we'll agree to disagree.

Considering I attending a larger echo chamber in addition to the single one that you are currently frequenting.

I wouldn't say pot/kettle, I'd probably say pen/crayon.

With a registered readership of 45,000, how does /r/rugbyunion stack up against the Roar's Rugby readership?

Either way I'd suggest size doesn't mean much.