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Wallaby Captaincy

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Ruggo

Mark Ella (57)
Pretty hard to be too critical of Hooper, there is no one in the starting side who would be guaranteed a starting stop and would be clearly better.

As to next year, let's wait to see who returns to form and who will be that guaranteed starter.

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Slipper is the answer to the above. Hooper is in no way a shoe in as a starter when Mr Pocock is fit and gets some rugby under his belt. Slipper on the other hand has consistently fended off fit competitors for his starting jersey. Would he be a good Wallaby captain? That can't really be answered with any authority at this stage. Personally I don't like the idea of a prop as our captain. Ref management can become very awkward at set piece.
 

Gillys_ghost

Dave Cowper (27)
if horwill returned to his 2011 form, would he be considered for captaincy?
I think he was a good leader. I know you cant pick a player who isnt even guaranteed a spot in the 23 but if he was i wouldnt mind seeing him re-instated as if i remember correctly link took his captaincy off him so he could just focus on his own game.
 

BDA

Jim Lenehan (48)
I would think Horwill would be the best captain we have but i think its pretty clear that Link doesn't see him as a starting player. He has a pretty good performance last week and Link still dropped him.
 

BDA

Jim Lenehan (48)
I think we wait until July next year to decide on the captain but i think the options are:-
Pocock
Hooper
Moore
Slipper
 

Forcefield

Ken Catchpole (46)
I would think Horwill would be the best captain we have but i think its pretty clear that Link doesn't see him as a starting player. He has a pretty good performance last week and Link still dropped him.


Horwill is a sour puss. Hodgson would be a better captain, but the chances of him starting are 0 while Hooper is fit.

Slipper has earnt a shot at it for the EOYT at least. To'omua, Higgers, Fardy and AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) definitely worthy of consideration.
 

Gillys_ghost

Dave Cowper (27)
when is kev ever a sour puss? Hodgson would be a great captain, but he wont be in the 23 if pocock returns as close to the player he was before injury
 

Quick Hands

David Wilson (68)
Quade for captain! I fucking love it. Ex-communicated from the team to come back as leader and savior. The romance! The drama! The intrigue! What a story!

He actual does present himself very well off the field and has worked hard ot improve his weaknesses on the field. My only concern is he's had 4 stints on the sideline for the last 3 years.

The prodigal son indeed.

I must say I am very impressed by QC (Quade Cooper), he took a lot of stick and I was critical, but he's showed plenty of class on and off the field since the Deans blow up. Full credit to him.
 

Quick Hands

David Wilson (68)
I was happy to accept him flaws as a captain as he was young and would grow into the role. Richie McCaw's leadership was questioned early on also if I recall correctly.

But his handling of the Beale issue in public has come across poor and shows he has a long way to go in some aspects.

Sometimes we learn from our mistakes. To me this has been his only real mistep as captain.

We could go to just about any Wallaby or Aussie super team match thread and the captain of the day (whoever they are) will be criticised for on field calls. Most of these relate to taking/not taking penalty goals or scrum options. According the the learned folk of GAGR - no captain of any Aussie team gets these calls right, so for people (not you) to be calling for Hooper's sacking on these sorts of grounds is a bit rich.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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Slipper is the answer to the above. Hooper is in no way a shoe in as a starter when Mr Pocock is fit and gets some rugby under his belt. Slipper on the other hand has consistently fended off fit competitors for his starting jersey. Would he be a good Wallaby captain? That can't really be answered with any authority at this stage. Personally I don't like the idea of a prop as our captain. Ref management can become very awkward at set piece.

Not really my point, yes Slipper was probably the only other option, but Hooper had just captained the the Tahs to the title.

I still think it was the right choice

Now next year who knows, Pocock? I doubt if he will ever get near his previous level, he hasn't played for how long?



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CTPE

Nev Cottrell (35)
Consider this - of the players currently available for selection, which starting players selections would not be contentious if all potential players were available for selection and which of this very, very narrow group are real leadership material?
 

No4918

John Hipwell (52)
Loved the tactics when he captained the Reds against the Lions. Ran the ball from everywhere.


The Reds were always going to do that, the Lions knew it, the crowd knew it, Link knew it, Quade knew it...... you get my point. And it nearly worked:)
I'm not judging QC (Quade Cooper) on his captaincy in that game. The EOYT is another matter and he didn't disappoint and showed he has what it takes.
 

Athilnaur

Arch Winning (36)
There is no doubt in my mind that Captaincy is one of the issues we face. Hooper is green.

My vote would also be Pocock, a great player with a level head. We saw some good captaincy in the Wales tour of 2012. I count the loss of him in the BIL tour as our single biggest loss and would go so far as to say it cost us Victory.

But he has a history of knee issues and I fear we can't count on him to be a fixture. And when he does come back he will need a fair few games at a lower level. We're in a pickle and no mistake.

My preference is Horwill if continues to improve, he is a damn fine leader and I believe he will be better still for the challenges fought and won if he gets back to being indispensable at lock. We sure could use him back to his best!
 

Beefcake

Bill Watson (15)
Definately scraping bottom of the barrel, if Moore is captain material - essentially last man standing. Even as an experienced campaigner, Moore just doesnt string too many good games together (lots of hmmm games), if it was a merit-based criteria. QC (Quade Cooper) also fits this hmmm criteria. For my mind, Genia is still the best choice, but his absence and Hoopers ascendency into the 7, and lynchpin in the open is by no means a fluke - given Gill presence. Should Genia return to sizzling form, or even sound form, hes the best captain - has been world best, makes sound decisions, big game experience, very diplomatic and media savvy and not perturbed in demand more from the playing group - cause he leads by example.
 

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Phil Kearns (64)
Definately scraping bottom of the barrel, if Moore is captain material - essentially last man standing. Even as an experienced campaigner, Moore just doesnt string too many good games together (lots of hmmm games), if it was a merit-based criteria. QC (Quade Cooper) also fits this hmmm criteria. For my mind, Genia is still the best choice, but his absence and Hoopers ascendency into the 7, and lynchpin in the open is by no means a fluke - given Gill presence. Should Genia return to sizzling form, or even sound form, hes the best captain - has been world best, makes sound decisions, big game experience, very diplomatic and media savvy and not perturbed in demand more from the playing group - cause he leads by example.


Not sure when Moore's form was last inconsistent, seem to remember him being widely considered the 2nd or 3rd best hooker in the world when fit.
 
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Train Without a Station

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Definately scraping bottom of the barrel, if Moore is captain material - essentially last man standing. Even as an experienced campaigner, Moore just doesnt string too many good games together (lots of hmmm games), if it was a merit-based criteria. QC (Quade Cooper) also fits this hmmm criteria. For my mind, Genia is still the best choice, but his absence and Hoopers ascendency into the 7, and lynchpin in the open is by no means a fluke - given Gill presence. Should Genia return to sizzling form, or even sound form, hes the best captain - has been world best, makes sound decisions, big game experience, very diplomatic and media savvy and not perturbed in demand more from the playing group - cause he leads by example.

Do you watch rugby? Genia is a horrid captain. Hot headed, lacks diplomacy (remember him misunderstanding Kafer's post game question and having a go at him?), petulant, rips into team mates when he's having a bad game.

I don't necessarily think Moore is a great captain, more a quiet leader in my mind, but he is out and out our best hooker and the only position we are consistently stronger than the all blacks. If you honestly think Moore is anything less then a consistently international quality player, you have no idea.
 
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