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Quick decisiveness from Genia - no stuffing around - very quick ball and we actually chased the kicks -
We were going forwards at the important moments and put pressure on - still toomany dorfy stupid kicks in general play (Giteau) but that will get sorted as the game and confidence develops.
Great performance - wonderful scrum - Pocock -a gem.
We were going forwards at the important moments and put pressure on - still toomany dorfy stupid kicks in general play (Giteau) but that will get sorted as the game and confidence develops.
Great performance - wonderful scrum - Pocock -a gem.
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Huge.
Pocock was immense.
Whole forward pack excellent. Hope TPN's rib not too badly injured.
Sanchez brilliant - no more Burgess for some time.
Back 3 good. All looked very safe for a change. O'Connor really coming along well.
Pocock was immense.
Whole forward pack excellent. Hope TPN's rib not too badly injured.
Sanchez brilliant - no more Burgess for some time.
Back 3 good. All looked very safe for a change. O'Connor really coming along well.
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Spook
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Alexander was best on ground. Robinson was excellent as well. Genia was so much better than Burgess. Barnes a bit rusty. Smith, Pocock and Elsom looked good together. TPN was a freak before he got injured.
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Dave Cowper (27)
Really just so happy to see Sanchez do well on his debut - but I really think we've seen nothing yet, he has that much potential. It would have been bad to see him have a rough first game which could have destoyed his confidence...
Still.. a great all round effort from a young team... reckon we are finally on the way!
Fuck it feels good though.....
Still.. a great all round effort from a young team... reckon we are finally on the way!
Fuck it feels good though.....
naza
Alan Cameron (40)
Any win over the World Champions is something to savour. The Wallabies lifted their intensity and commitment and showed a lot of grit and determination.
But we cannot fool ourselves that the tide has changed. The Boks cleared lacked gas in the tank and for the first time this year couldn't match their opponents for energy and aggression. Despite dominating possession, the Wallaby attack was again toothless. Numerous opportunities were blown. This team still has a fundamental lack of clinical skill and inability to finish. And we're getting cut up in midfield far too easily.
In the backs, AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) is our only certain selection. The inside backs continue to blunder. Fullback O'Connor is a talent but his inexperience shows up in poor option taking and positional play. Our wingers still cannot catch.
In the forwards, our ruck work was better but we're not dynamic enough.
There is much to do yet.
But we cannot fool ourselves that the tide has changed. The Boks cleared lacked gas in the tank and for the first time this year couldn't match their opponents for energy and aggression. Despite dominating possession, the Wallaby attack was again toothless. Numerous opportunities were blown. This team still has a fundamental lack of clinical skill and inability to finish. And we're getting cut up in midfield far too easily.
In the backs, AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) is our only certain selection. The inside backs continue to blunder. Fullback O'Connor is a talent but his inexperience shows up in poor option taking and positional play. Our wingers still cannot catch.
In the forwards, our ruck work was better but we're not dynamic enough.
There is much to do yet.
mark_s
Chilla Wilson (44)
This was no turning point. A win in the next game would be a turning point for me. Great game though. I knew we would be up for this game and I also suspected the saffas would be down a bit. Very good quality game, but we did well out of the saffa subs as the replacements were shite.
TPN needs alot of credit as he was massive in the 1st 30 mins and set standard for others to follow. Naza, while I agree with your sentiment re this is no time to pop the cork, I also suspect that you are sooking a bit about burgess being dacked well and truly by Genia.
Barnes and Giteau were great to night. Why can't our wingers catch the ball though? Pocock was also awesome and Smith worked well at 8. Our lineout was surprisingly ok.
TPN needs alot of credit as he was massive in the 1st 30 mins and set standard for others to follow. Naza, while I agree with your sentiment re this is no time to pop the cork, I also suspect that you are sooking a bit about burgess being dacked well and truly by Genia.
Barnes and Giteau were great to night. Why can't our wingers catch the ball though? Pocock was also awesome and Smith worked well at 8. Our lineout was surprisingly ok.
naza
Alan Cameron (40)
mark_s said:
Wow, I have no idea what game you were watching. Barnes and Giteau murdered us. Larkham would have gotten us 5-6 tries. Smith clearly doesn't have the size and physicality for 8.
I'm surprised at the raves about Genia. In the game I was watching, the halfback rarely passed off the deck but stood and took a couple of steps before passing. The ball was rarely in front of Giteau, a good halfback puts the ball in front of the ballplayer for them to run onto. This is part of the reason why the backline play of Giteau and Barnes was so inept. And despite having a much better ride behind the Wallaby forwards than Burgess has had, Genia still was error riddled. His box kick is very good and his temperament seems good. Mixed debut, some good signs, plenty of work still to do.
I think he needs to cough the hook out first to answer.mark_s said:
Naza, to put Burgess of late and Genia in the same bracket is ludicrous. His pass is much more direct and accurate. They are both good and promising, and I want to see them duelling for the spot for years.
The forwards are getting plenty of love for that performance, and rightly so. But I thought Mitchell, Turner (till injured) and Hynes deserve some credit - they improved a lot, and the back line was far more incisive tonight.
Yes, there are still some problems - kick chase at times not enough for instance, but Barnes and Gits mixing it up at 10/12 made some real problems for the oppo for once. Don't forget we left 3 tries over the line due to some awesome Bokke defence.
The players that were seen at last - Pocock, Chisolm for example were great.
Robinson is just superb, Alexander did very well and both hookers did us proud, with TPN just mental in the first 30 mins.
No it is not all there, but geez, it is a step in the right direction.
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Jim Lenehan (48)
naza said:
Hey naza OZ has had plenty of success with ''2 steps back'' halfback play in the past, so might as well bring it back with Genia...
Genia has an urgency, yet composure to his game that Burgess has failed to show this year. I wouldn't throw Burgess out to the cleaners just yet, but I wouldn't be saying Genia is the messiah just yet
mark_s
Chilla Wilson (44)
Chis has been pretty solid the last two games. I always thought he was pretty soft but since the EOYT 2008 he has shown some starch. Do we dare to believe he is truly of international standard? Past history has sown that world class locks are required to win a world cup
Henry
Bill Watson (15)
mark_s said:
World class players everywhere are needed to win a world cup...
We are getting there!!!
Step up from everywhere i thought, back 3 looked solid, TPN was huge when he was on- watch out Moore- Tight fowards were again improving, John Smit looking confused and lost on multiple occasions... A pity Rocky had a few cases of butter fingers...
But so many so close opportunities, about 3 occasions we could have scored if a final pass was thrown, let alnoe the trhree held ups/lost fowards over the line due to the wicked spring bokke defence...
we are close... we are close...
Scarfman
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I agree with naz that the main problem was the toothless and skill-less backs. They had some go-forward ball but didn't look like they knew what to do. Giteau either kicked aimlessly or ran immediately to the sideline. He had a shocker. Both in attack and defence the backs didn't trust each other. And they catch worse than their forwards.
But maybe this win will bring confidence, and with it, some combinations in attack and defence.
But maybe this win will bring confidence, and with it, some combinations in attack and defence.
I'm with you, Scarfy. Nice to have a win but still room for much improvement. Where shall I start?
That was a very good performance which must be backed up with an equally good performance in two weeks' time. Then we can say we've started on a successful journey to the RWC in 2011.
- The forwards. This lot are starting to look like a formidable pack with Robinson and Elsom looking world class. As they play together they'll get better and dominate other packs and, hopefully, acquire a bit of mongrel. The scrum looks so much better with TPN and if they continue to physically attack opponents at the scrum, ruck, maul and tackle (TPN is a cause of a lot of this) we'll have to live without lineout dominance. The only thing missing is a big bruiser at number 8. Nice to see sufficient numbers at the breakdown and no Baxters standing around having a Captain Cook.
- Numbers 10 and 12. This development still has a way to go as I'm not convinced Gits and Barnes are the answer. Matt still looks to either run sideways or kick the pill away. Why won't Dingo try him at 12? What is it about Barnes's body? Why does he suffer so many injuries? It's nice to see Cooper play so soundly under Deans's management; I hate to suggest it but he may be the answer with his accurate wide passing. Why can't he play as well for the Reds?
- AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper). PLEASE leave him at 13.
- The back three. We've got the luxury of Ioane and Hynes as backups and the first one to report fit for duty should replace Mitchell. As I've stated elsewhere I'm firmly of the opinion JOC (James O'Connor)'s too small for international rugby and will eventually be found out; nothing from last night's test gives me cause to reconsider that opinion. It's a shame Shepherd's so injury-prone as to me he looks the ideal type for an international fullback.
- The running game. My wife remarked at about the 60 minute mark the Boks looked buggered, a moment before a commentator (Kearns?) said the same thing. Surely the Lions gave us a big clue how to play the Boks: run at the bastards, and run at them again and again. In other words, classic Australian rugby.
That was a very good performance which must be backed up with an equally good performance in two weeks' time. Then we can say we've started on a successful journey to the RWC in 2011.
I should've added our skills and execution, especially finishing off promising attacking moves. Too many passes are poorly executed, either pushed or dropped and too many times players aren't using others in better positions or aren't aware of attacking opportunities. And simple things like catching are still not good enough.
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