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Wallaby 31 players for 2015 RWC

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John Thornett (49)
It all seems a bit ironic though now that Douglas was selected for the squad. I mean why do they ignore that he had zero club rugby form but it's not okay that JOC (James O'Connor)'s club form wasn't there?

JOC (James O'Connor) actually has a history of superb Test performances on the wing, plus his skillset would be complimentary to Folau as he can kick and be an extra play-maker. Yet Douglas has no decent Test runs on the board.

So there happy for Douglas to return to form from what sounds like a major back injury but they don't do the same for JOC (James O'Connor) who only has niggling injuries?

Something not right here. The whole Douglas selection really has sent a poor message to everyone.


Mate, I was never trying to compare the Douglas selection with JOC (James O'Connor)'s non-selection.

I think the Douglas selection was fucking awful but no point in me blathering about it because it's not going to change anything.
 

qwerty51

Stirling Mortlock (74)
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France #1
England #2
Ireland #2
Italy #2
Wales #8
-
New Zealand #12
South Africa #14
Australia #20

Hmmm..
 

Lorenzo

Colin Windon (37)
Even with Douglas in the squad, they could have taken a 3rd hooker and Horwill and boned Horne and Tomane (or Speight). Even if Cooper, Foley, Genia and Phipps are too specialised to play anywhere other than 10 and 9, you still have Beale, Giteau, Mitchell and Speight covering the rest of the backline. FFS he is only going to have one of them on the bench anyway.
 

jimmydubs

Dave Cowper (27)
I'm not a JOC (James O'Connor) fan but got to say I prefer him to Beale in this squad. Pretty like for like. Less error prone. Easier to cheer for.
 

BDA

Jim Lenehan (48)
I would have chosen Simo / Horwill as our starting lock combination. They were rock solid in the set piece for the Reds this year and Horwill was the form lock over the Rugby Championship. I would have selected Horwill before Douglas or Mumm.

Surely Douglas comes right into the 23 in Cheika's mind. I cant imagine Cheika would prefer a starting combination of Simo/Mumm over Simo/Horwill.

Are we to think that Mumm's selection over Horwill comes down to his ability to cover 6? Seems like the smart approach would be simply to pick the best locks to play lock. How important is Mumm's ability to play 6? Cheika selected McMahon FFS. He's clearly the 6 cover. dont understand that at all.
 

Groucho

Greg Davis (50)
Ps I'm also guessing that the McMahon selection is there to have a Mocock or Mooper running in the lesser games. Keeps the double openside feel.

I think there's only one lesser game: Uruguay. The A team need to play versus Fiji, otherwise England will be their first game together since the Rugby Championship.
 

BDA

Jim Lenehan (48)
The decision to take two hookers is just dumb in my view. Not even Deans made a call that crazy in 2011.

It's completely unnecessary. Tomane could easily fall of this squad and no one would notice. I'd in fact argue that having too many outside backs might be a disadvantage because it suggests to me that Cheika intends to chop and change his outside backs. Surely we should just be picking our best guys and getting some consistency in the team.

I could maybe support the 2 hookers decision if we had two hookers that are going to go the distance, and can play 80 minutes. But we dont. If TPN has to go out and play close to 80 minutes against the likes of Fiji the chances of injury are signficant. Also when is the last time TPN played 80 minutes? If Moore goes down before a game, we're screwed.
 

The_Brown_Hornet

John Eales (66)
France #1
England #2
Ireland #2
Italy #2
Wales #8
-
New Zealand #12
South Africa #14
Australia #20

Hmmm..



Yes, anyone would think that the Poms are trying to get one over us by giving us the toughest draw. Tell you what, if we do end up beating them the satisfaction will be even greater than usual.
 

Groucho

Greg Davis (50)
Yes, anyone would think that the Poms are trying to get one over us by giving us the toughest draw. Tell you what, if we do end up beating them the satisfaction will be even greater than usual.

If we can beat them, then they have to beat the Kiwis to get to the final.

That'll be slippery ice for New Zealand, quite like 2003 in fact. A fired-up England, at home, against a Kiwi team under pressure from all sides, who they've beaten recently, all to the noxious chorus of the feral English press.

You almost want them both to lose.
 

ArmchairGeneral

Ward Prentice (10)
Side question, can we start a thread for those attending the RWC this year? Picked up my pool game and QF tickets this week!! GAGR London meet up?
 

Groucho

Greg Davis (50)
Never have I been less certain of who is in the A-team

That's a good thing. It shows we have depth.

From Cheika:
Because we have been changing players around, there is a bit of a thought that we don't know who should be in the team.

But I can assure you that we have been working off a plan that we have had since we came back from the Spring tour and I'm sticking to that plan.

It's been something that is working for us. We have improved in our depth and in a lot of the areas that we needed to improve on.

We have still got improvement to make and we have still got time to make that improvement.

My prediction, based on selections thus far, and the things Cheika has said:

Sio
Moore
Kepu
Simmons
Douglas
Fardy
Hooper
Pocock
Phipps
Foley
Any one of Speight / Tomane / Horne / Mitchell
To'omua / Giteau
Kuridrani
AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)
Folau

Slipper
Nau
Holmes
Skelton
McCalman / Palu
Genia
Giteau / To'omua
Beale

I have a feeling that Cheika intends to select Horne for defensive reasons. The Wobs are going to play Cheika's defensive system, in which the halfback sweeps and the 10/12 drops back as an extra fullback. Horne is perfect in that system because he's an excellent defender, both on the wing and in the line.

[It's been done to death whether this is hiding players or a deliberate system, with most of the arguments delivered in some kind of emotional baggage, but my money's on it being a deliberate system. I'm not saying that because I like Foley. My first choice flyhalf is an in-form Cooper, playing outside an in-form Genia.]

Personally I'd play Speight on one wing, because I like what he can do with ball in hand, but what do I know? It's a game theory question: can Speight score more tries by his better attack than Horne can prevent by his better defense? Thankfully neither Speight's defense nor Horne's attack are sub-standard, so it's not the Devil's dilemma. In fact Horne has matured into an excellent finishing winger, if not one with the outright gas of Speight or Tomane.

Why will Cheika pick Phipps? For the same reason he didn't pick White. Phipps is fast to the breakdown and passes directly out of the ruck when he has to. This undoubtedly results in errors, but also in an extremely fast-paced game that puts the opposition under extreme pressure. I have no doubt that's the game we intend to play over there.

It's certainly not The-Game-That-Wins-World-Cups.™ We appear to be adopting a high-risk strategy in several domains. This is partially because we suck at The-Game-That-Wins-World-Cups.™ To be blunt, neither are we The-Best-Team-In-The-Tournament™. Far from it. New Zealand is, by far, the best team. If we try to play England or New Zealand at The-Game-That-Wins-World-Cups.™ then we'll certainly lose. Therefore we have to take risks. This is the best risk to take, because it's a calculated one that plays to our strengths.

I'd personally start To'omua, but Cheika may actually mean what he says about finishers, and want to up the tempo in the final 30 minutes of games, and To'omua has done very well in that role when he's come on, either at 10 or 12. So rather than being relegated to the bench, he'll be promoted to it as a key element in that strategy.

I doubt the Giteau backup 9 ploy will see the light of day in a world cup match.

While I'm chancing my arm with predictions, I predict we'll see this team against Fiji, as the final hit-up against England, and the B-team against Uruguay (including the A-team finishers starting). The only reason anyone will start against both Uruguay and England is if injuries force it to happen. England have an advantage with their perfectly spaced schedule. This strategy nullifies that.

My money's on Cheika, Grey, Larkham and Ledesma having thought this though in detail. We all love to hate coaches, but in terms of rugby smarts that's a fairly impressive group of tactical thinkers.

And for once, no one can accuse us of being soft.

Go Wallabies.
 

Groucho

Greg Davis (50)
This'd be my personal A-team if everyone was fit and at their best:

Sio
Moore
Kepu
Simmons
Horwill
Fardy
Hooper
Pocock
Genia
Cooper
Speight
To'omua
Kuridrani
JOC (James O'Connor)
Folau

Slipper
Nau
Holmes
Higginbotham
Skelton
Phipps
AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)
Beale
 

waiopehu oldboy

George Smith (75)
I think this was already proposed a few pages back and by far makes the most sense considering how close together the Uruguay, Fiji, and England games are.

Yeah, couldn't face wading through all the pages of comments but not surprised someone(s) else thought of it as it's so obvious in the context of Australia's pool draw, an "A" XV to play Fiji, England & Wales & a "B" for Uruguay.

I'm sure the intention/hope is to draft Hanson in to the later group after Uruguay, and perhaps White too.

But you can't just draft them in, they have to come in to replace players who're going home with two-week-plus injuries, verified by World Rugby's medical panel. You sure as shit don't wanna get caught trying to pull a swiftly with them. So unless someone almost literally takes one for the team, it ain't gonna happen.
 
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