Viking
Mark Ella (57)
Valetini is our primary ball runner, especially off the lineout on first phase- when has Hooper ever filled that role?
Back in the Pooper days. Who's gunna run it up, Fardy, Pocock, or Hooper. Was Hooper every time.
Valetini is our primary ball runner, especially off the lineout on first phase- when has Hooper ever filled that role?
We're trying to replace the role Valetini has predominantly had for the last couple of years.
I don't think Hooper does this at all. He's not a big body seeking contact with his ball carrying.
ExactlyWell I see this as the issue with Australian rugby. It's that Cheika-ball mentality. Trying to fit players we don't have into a certain structure.
Valetini is out. We shouldn't be looking for a like-for-like player we don't have.
How about putting in the next best player and changing our tactics to suit the players we have.
It seems there is no flexibility or adaptability in the wallabies anymore.
My take on that is we haven't developed Wilson into the player he could be at this stage. Could say the same about Noah.
The context of these discussions though was triggered by players debuting when a test match was in the balance. Totally see the logic in a different scenario when a game is already all but decided.
Unless it's Quade Cooper (also verse Italy) and you win the game.
Back in the Pooper days. Who's gunna run it up, Fardy, Pocock, or Hooper. Was Hooper every time.
Well I see this as the issue with Australian rugby. It's that Cheika-ball mentality. Trying to fit players we don't have into a certain structure.
Valetini is out. We shouldn't be looking for a like-for-like player we don't have.
I agree @Viking . I'm not saying Noah hasn't developed into what he could be. I mean he hasn't been developed as he should have been by the national set up. Sure, a lot of it falls on him but it's hard to succeed when you are out into the middle of a shit show. His performances at Super Rugby show it. It must be hard to be seemingly looked past at times when the next option is not showing signs of being any better than him at this point in time.
There's a big difference between creating a structure and game plan to suit your first choice team that you are trying to pick every week and then coming up with entirely different structures because you can't select a remotely like for like player to fill a gap in a single week.
Who knows what we will do in terms of team selection. I certainly think we won't be changing our structures substantially and if picked to start at 8 Samu will be the operating in the middle of the field in attack.
It feels to me that our ball running and ability to get over the advantage line this week is going to be a huge risk area because of all the players we have missing. That is the only reason I am suggesting to select Gleeson to start.
Nope.If the goal is getting over the gainline in the middle of the park, then Samu can solve that problem. He takes a different direction with footwork compared to crash-balling but the result is similar.
So you're not really changing structures that much anyway.
Gleeson is so fresh, he might solve that problem but then create structure problems everywhere else. I think that is more likely then Samu not getting over the gain line.
Nope.
He has brilliant footwork and is certainly capable of beating a defender but he almost never does this in tight.
Also, every time we get a penalty can we not kick it to the corner and attempt to score off a driving maul off the lineout. It's kinda predictable now, not to mention boring.Exactly
With a 30% win record, maybe we shouldn't be so convinced these current roles players have are the correct ones for them or the team
Nope.
He has brilliant footwork and is certainly capable of beating a defender but he almost never does this in tight.
No chance of this going away while the team is primarily Brumbies and under the influence of McKellar. It's a shame that we rarely seem to be able to convert.Also, every time we get a penalty can we not kick it to the corner and attempt to score off a driving maul off the lineout. It's kinda predictable now, not to mention boring.
Alternatively, you run someone like Marky Mark (Nawaqanitawase) off the crash ballThere's a big difference between creating a structure and game plan to suit your first choice team that you are trying to pick every week and then coming up with entirely different structures because you can't select a remotely like for like player to fill a gap in a single week.
Who knows what we will do in terms of team selection. I certainly think we won't be changing our structures substantially and if picked to start at 8 Samu will be the operating in the middle of the field in attack.
It feels to me that our ball running and ability to get over the advantage line this week is going to be a huge risk area because of all the players we have missing. That is the only reason I am suggesting to select Gleeson to start.
Its pretty much the structure of every team out there to kick for the corner and maul it over, most teams just suck at it, but it's so common across all teams.No chance of this going away while the team is primarily Brumbies and under the influence of McKellar. It's a shame that we rarely seem to be able to convert.
Most teams have it in their arsenal, but often with variations or will clear it from the maul early. The Brumbies have mastered the maul in the <10m line out situation, so understandingly have become reliant on it; the Wallabies have not, and yet continue to persist with often little effect.Its pretty much the structure of every team out there to kick for the corner and maul it over, most teams just suck at it, but it's so common across all teams.
But effective, the ponies have been eminently boring for years, but incredibly effectiveAlso, every time we get a penalty can we not kick it to the corner and attempt to score off a driving maul off the lineout. It's kinda predictable now, not to mention boring.
Why does 12 have to be crash ball? Lolesio was very effective at 12 in that under 20s team that made the JWC final playing outside Harrison/Donaldson a few years ago. Created space for the likes of Nawaquanitawase on the outside and was very effective and entertaining. Reminded me of the days of Horan and Lynagh as second playmakrrs on our glory days. I'd like to see someone feeding Kellaway, Petaia and Nawaquanitawase and creating opportunitiesI would. Lolesio on the crash ball?