Wallabies v Springboks - Suncorp, Brisbane, 10th September 2016
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John Hipwell (52)
I'd prefer to see Morahan given a run first. He has been training all season with the squad and will be fit. Speight for EOYT if he stays fit.
He wore head gear and his leg was very heavily strapped. He came on as a replacement and moved fine but I think we should let things settle in before we chuck him into test rugby.
Viking
Mark Ella (57)
Nooo, Timani at 8 is the solution
Well, Timani is not a natural #8 and you were in agreement with me to pick him in that spot lol
He's played 8 before. His "natural" skillset is probably more suited to 8.
He's a bit of a Reece Hodge but in the forwards. Hasn't mastered any position but can play anymore from 4,5,6,8. So it's not exactly the same as playing a fullback in the centres - one of the hardest defending positions in the team.
Timani should be at 8 and stick there for his development.
Folau already has 3 seasons at Fullback, I'd rather persist with him there and see what Bryne can do about his kicking over the next 12 months.
Strewthcobber
Simon Poidevin (60)
When was Speight's last good game?
Viking
Mark Ella (57)
Speight will certainly sure up the defence on the wing, one of his under-rated attributes.
Not sure about his acceleration, speed, and footwork is where it used to be though. Hope his training with 7's has help in that department.
Viking
Mark Ella (57)
Brumby Runner
Jason Little (69)
Big call Sully. Henry scored a couple of tries, both in traffic and used his strength in contact to good effect. He also had a couple of other ground-gaining runs, and although he missed a fairly simple tackle to let a try in, he was the second best winger out there on Sunday, after Taliauli. I think he is or should be very much in the mix for a return to the Wallabies' squad.
Your the Brumbies fan mate. I'd like him to get a bit further along the road to being fully fit first.
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Chilla Wilson (44)
Timani is a great scrummager (according to other professional players), does his best carries and tackles in the middle (the tight forward's channel), and is an okay lineout jumper (better than Skelton at least). In addition, his lack of lateral speed compared to out-and-out back rowers would probably see him burnt a bit off the scrum.
Basically what I'm saying is - he's not the tallest lock in the world but he's a pretty decent one and has had 3ish years of development there. Why move him? He's a lock, and a good one.
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Mark Ella (57)
Nooo, Timani at 8 is the solution
Well, Timani is not a natural #8 and you were in agreement with me to pick him in that spot lol
Neither is Pocock.
Poey to 7 Timani to have a crack at 8
KOB1987
John Eales (66)
It looks like To'omua is out for this game and possibly the remainder of the RC so we may have seen the last of him in gold. What do we do about a #12 going forward? It's possibly a discussion for another thread but I'll put it here because at the very least that person(s) should be brought into the squad.
So let's assume we are going to pick a #12 who has actually been playing there this year. I've gone through and had a look at the starting lineups for every Australian super team for every game this year and noted who's started at #12 in the respective teams and how many times they've started there. I've then deleted all of the players who are ineligible, injured or had less than 3 starts there. There are 7 candidates left. I've then looked at the following measures: carries, clean breaks, defenders beaten, handling errors, metres run, missed tackles, offloads, passes made, penalties conceded, tackles made and turnovers. I've divided each of these measures by the minutes played per player and ranked the players on each measure, then added up the total of each ranking so that there is a single score for each player. Lowest score wins:
S Rasolea - 38
R Hodge - 43
D Horwitz - 45
K Godwin - 49
M Inman - 52
H Taefu - 62
A Fainga'a - 72
It's pretty simplistic I know and there should be higher weightings applied to certain measures etc. If someone wants to propose a formula as such, remove some measures, etc I am happy to re-run, it won't take me long. Also, Hodge's figures are a bit skewed as he played more of his games at 13 and 15, but he's in the squad anyway, so perhaps I remove him.
Given who's a clear last there must be something right about what I've done!
So let's assume we are going to pick a #12 who has actually been playing there this year. I've gone through and had a look at the starting lineups for every Australian super team for every game this year and noted who's started at #12 in the respective teams and how many times they've started there. I've then deleted all of the players who are ineligible, injured or had less than 3 starts there. There are 7 candidates left. I've then looked at the following measures: carries, clean breaks, defenders beaten, handling errors, metres run, missed tackles, offloads, passes made, penalties conceded, tackles made and turnovers. I've divided each of these measures by the minutes played per player and ranked the players on each measure, then added up the total of each ranking so that there is a single score for each player. Lowest score wins:
S Rasolea - 38
R Hodge - 43
D Horwitz - 45
K Godwin - 49
M Inman - 52
H Taefu - 62
A Fainga'a - 72
It's pretty simplistic I know and there should be higher weightings applied to certain measures etc. If someone wants to propose a formula as such, remove some measures, etc I am happy to re-run, it won't take me long. Also, Hodge's figures are a bit skewed as he played more of his games at 13 and 15, but he's in the squad anyway, so perhaps I remove him.
Given who's a clear last there must be something right about what I've done!
Scrubber2050
Mark Ella (57)
Henry was awesome at Super level whilst waiting for eligibility for the Wallabies.
I don't think he has ever replicated that form at test level (or gone close)
Pfitzy
Nathan Sharpe (72)
I'm confused: are you trying to fix the scrum half problem?
If so, and Frisby gives you pause, then the answer is right in front of all of us:
Stirzaker
Marcelo
Ken Catchpole (46)
Blue
Andrew Slack (58)
Problems? You guys think you have problems? Hahahaha! I'll give you sodding problems. I'll stop at ten. I haven't got all day.
1. Coach is tactically useless.Insists publicly that "Lions rugby is not test rugby" and still plays Jakeball from 2007 and the same shit that never worked at the Stormers. He does not have the nouse, knowledge, skill or risk profile to coach at this level.
2. Backline coach is a sevens player who has only coached for two years in then in the lower ranks and only as an assistant. Yes. You read that right. He is the Bok backline coach.
3. Jantjes and Coetzee have history. The player fell apart under this coach when he went to the Stormers for a year. He was forced into a game plan which does not suit him. It is happening again only the stakes are higher.
4. The Captain is woefully out of form and seems to lack confidence. Should never have been told that he has the gig for the whole year. Now the coach does not seem to want to back track and drop him.
5. Franscois Louw at openside has been utterly, utterly useless.
6.This is the most unbalanced back row I can remember in Bok history, largely due to Louw. Mohoje has been good (other than the odd high tackle which can be fixed). Whiteley is being forced into playing like a second openside. Not his strength.
7. The combination of De Allende and Mapoe in the midfield looks totally out of sync but fix the problem at ten first - ie let Jantjes play.
8. Morne Steyn on the bench. What message does that send to Jantjes? What does that say about the coaches willingness to take risk? Your backup ten needs to be able to make an impact. Shift a gear. Steyn is there as a kicking insurance policy. How fucked up is that?
9. Starting Beast who is woefully out of form, in the name of "experience".
10. The breakdown. We have not attended one this year. Kind of important. See 5. and 6.
Notice how I do nor refer to quota selections being an issue. This is not currently the problem. It is selection and coaching mediocrity which is are the real issues. This is a hole South Africa will not crawl out of under this coach.
I predict that we will finish last in the competition. You guys will play for your lives in Brissie and beat us. You will beat Argie here and lose to them there, and beat us in South Africa. Yes, I firmly believe that.
If you don't believe me you did not watch the Ireland series to realise how bad this Bok team is. You have a coach that can actually make improvements. We do not.
1. Coach is tactically useless.Insists publicly that "Lions rugby is not test rugby" and still plays Jakeball from 2007 and the same shit that never worked at the Stormers. He does not have the nouse, knowledge, skill or risk profile to coach at this level.
2. Backline coach is a sevens player who has only coached for two years in then in the lower ranks and only as an assistant. Yes. You read that right. He is the Bok backline coach.
3. Jantjes and Coetzee have history. The player fell apart under this coach when he went to the Stormers for a year. He was forced into a game plan which does not suit him. It is happening again only the stakes are higher.
4. The Captain is woefully out of form and seems to lack confidence. Should never have been told that he has the gig for the whole year. Now the coach does not seem to want to back track and drop him.
5. Franscois Louw at openside has been utterly, utterly useless.
6.This is the most unbalanced back row I can remember in Bok history, largely due to Louw. Mohoje has been good (other than the odd high tackle which can be fixed). Whiteley is being forced into playing like a second openside. Not his strength.
7. The combination of De Allende and Mapoe in the midfield looks totally out of sync but fix the problem at ten first - ie let Jantjes play.
8. Morne Steyn on the bench. What message does that send to Jantjes? What does that say about the coaches willingness to take risk? Your backup ten needs to be able to make an impact. Shift a gear. Steyn is there as a kicking insurance policy. How fucked up is that?
9. Starting Beast who is woefully out of form, in the name of "experience".
10. The breakdown. We have not attended one this year. Kind of important. See 5. and 6.
Notice how I do nor refer to quota selections being an issue. This is not currently the problem. It is selection and coaching mediocrity which is are the real issues. This is a hole South Africa will not crawl out of under this coach.
I predict that we will finish last in the competition. You guys will play for your lives in Brissie and beat us. You will beat Argie here and lose to them there, and beat us in South Africa. Yes, I firmly believe that.
If you don't believe me you did not watch the Ireland series to realise how bad this Bok team is. You have a coach that can actually make improvements. We do not.
Scrubber2050
Mark Ella (57)
Viking
Mark Ella (57)
Nice work KOB, but if Hodge is in there so should Kerevi. He played a whole season last year and 2 international games this year at 12. I think that qualifies.
dru
David Wilson (68)
Feel for you Blue.
Item 3 is soul destroying. Just ask Deans and Quade.
Agree with your assessment. It means that it is difficult to understand actually how good the ABs are - it seems possible that the RC will not be capable of answering that question.
Our HC may be better than yours, but our assistants are the same quality. Systems that were state of the art 2 years ago and the ABs have worked out an answer for it. Grey and Larkham need to be feeding Cheika with reasonable strategy and analysis so that Cheika can arrange a half way decent game plan. No evidence of it yet.
We have no consistency in selections in the back line, few developed relationships. And in the forwards we have some consistency in selection that seems to many to be baffling.
I'd love just half the depth that the Springboks have!
Item 3 is soul destroying. Just ask Deans and Quade.
Agree with your assessment. It means that it is difficult to understand actually how good the ABs are - it seems possible that the RC will not be capable of answering that question.
Our HC may be better than yours, but our assistants are the same quality. Systems that were state of the art 2 years ago and the ABs have worked out an answer for it. Grey and Larkham need to be feeding Cheika with reasonable strategy and analysis so that Cheika can arrange a half way decent game plan. No evidence of it yet.
We have no consistency in selections in the back line, few developed relationships. And in the forwards we have some consistency in selection that seems to many to be baffling.
I'd love just half the depth that the Springboks have!
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