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Wallabies v Springboks - Suncorp, Brisbane, 10th September 2016

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Lorenzo

Colin Windon (37)
There's no evidence we have an attack coach at all. Larkham is trading on his rep from his playing days - the brumbies don't have a particularly notable attack.

The two playmaker thing is gash. We sacrifice too much size in the midfield for the purported benefit of a diverse attack that on most of the evidence available, is not actually any more diverse than playing a genuine centre at 12. I keep getting told it relieves pressure from the 10 (because the defence has to worry about two 10s and not one) but they still play like they've got a back-rower buried in their ass constantly, so I don't buy that at all.

Guys like Foley, Giteau, Berrick Barnes etc look really good in the centres playing Super Rugby (and other club comps OS and at times some of the weaker test teams) and that's because at those levels running around people is viable, and it works well in conjunction with their (excellent) ball playing skills. It isn't viable when playing the very best because they are big and fast - whether its the backrow or the backline - and can shut these guys down.

Every damn time we play a test that has high intensity levels (the tests in NZ or SA come to mind) our small backline gets smashed and our multiple playmakers just find new ways to fuck everything up.

We need to move some of the players around - maybe Folau to 13, maybe TK to the wing, maybe Hodge somewhere and maybe DHP to 15, but for god's sake lets quit trying to reinvent the fucking wheel and put a 10 at 10 and two physical centres that can tackle outside of him.

Let's see if we can play the game at the correct end of the paddock (Hodge may be helpful with this) and if we can put more than 4 phases together without dropping the fucking ball. If we can do those things and tackle a bit, we'll be shitloads better than we've been this year so far.
 

Marcelo

Ken Catchpole (46)
1 Sio
2 Hanson
3 Kepu
4 Douglas
5 Coleman
6 Fardy
7 Pocock (c)
8 Timani
9 Genia
10 Cooper
11 Mitchell
12 Foley
13 Folau
14 Kerevi
15 DHP

16 TPN
17 Slipper
18 Ala'alatoa
19 Mumm
20 Hooper
21 Phipps
22 Hodge
23 AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)
 

Lindommer

Simon Poidevin (60)
Staff member
I realise I'm starting to bore some with my comments on Big Willie, but he simply isn't fit enough for this level of rugby. I made a point of watching him on Saturday night, when he came on he wandered from side to side and positioned himself next to the ruck/breakdown ready to take part in the next one BUT HE DIDN'T. I reckon he didn't hit a ruck for a good five minutes after coming on, fresh 'n' all.

We desperately need tight five forwards for the Wallabies who roll their sleeves up and get stuck into the hard work at the coalface. Coleman does this, as does Mumm when he comes on. Skelton doesn't. Willie needs to go back to NRC and play every minute of every game with one of the coaching staff assigned to counting his involvements while continually revving him up.
 

Brumby Runner

Jason Little (69)
Most hardworking tight five forward going round is Tom Staniforth, who played 6 yesterday and had a blinder against Qld Country. Otherwise, Rory Arnold proved his fitness and should come straight back into the game day 23.
 

Scrubber2050

Mark Ella (57)
I'll have a crack at what I'd like to see:

1 Slipper (VC)
2 TPN
3 Kepu (last chance to me)
4 Douglas
5 Coleman
6 Fardy
7 Pocock - CAPTAIN
8 Timani
9 Genia
10 Cooper
11 Mitchell
12 Kerevi
13 Folau
14 Hodge
15 AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)

AND a 6:2 bench

16 Hanson
17 Sio
18 Ala'alatoa
19 Mumm
20 McMahon
21 Arnold
22 TK
23 Phipps
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
You're only playing the Springboks. Problem is neither team will learn much from this game because both are shite.

Make no mistake the winning coach will spruik it as a massive victory and a step towards getting back on track...
 

Viking

Mark Ella (57)

DHP needs to be dropped not shifted. Missed how many tackles now that led directly to tries? I think every game he played he leaked a try.

I don't care if he is being played out of position most of the misses were simply poor.


No way should he be rewarded by getting played at fullback. He will get his shot again, and hopefully at fullback but he deserves at least a one game dropping as punishment.

Start Hodge at fullback if your after the kicking option. Then Morahan/Mitchell can take DHP's wing spot. Personally, I'd keep Folau back there.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
Staff member
Pretty much every Wallaby fullback has started on the wing at test level. Being played out of position can't be used an excuse for why that person should remain in the side.

There is one good reason why DHP should be played at fullback and it is his kicking game relative to Folau. He could potentially play there if Folau moves to 13 but I certainly don't think Folau should be moved to the wing to accommodate it. That would achieve nothing in my opinion.
 

Viking

Mark Ella (57)
9 Genia
10 Cooper
11 Mitchell
12 Foley
13 Folau
14 Kerevi
15 DHP


So you got Cooper at 10 who wants to drop back to fullback every chance he gets so he can hide in defence and counter-attack when he can.

You also got Foley at 12 who wants to drop back to fullback every chance he gets so he can hide in defence

And you got Folau at 13 who wants to drop back to fullback every chance he gets, like he does at the Tahs, so he can defuse the high balls and counter-attack.

And then we got outside backs who are poor defenders in the line = Mitchell, Kerevi, DHP = but at least one of them will be forced to defend in the line while the other guys drop back.

Do we not see a problem here?

Can we stop these stupid hybrid positions where half the team drop back to fullback and the other half shift around the defensive line.
 

Viking

Mark Ella (57)
Pretty much every Wallaby fullback has started on the wing at test level. Being played out of position can't be used an excuse for why that person should remain in the side.

There is one good reason why DHP should be played at fullback and it is his kicking game relative to Folau. He could potentially play there if Folau moves to 13 but I certainly don't think Folau should be moved to the wing to accommodate it. That would achieve nothing in my opinion.


I agree with your DHP reasoning.

But why isn't it okay to play Folau on the wing but it's okay to play him at 13?
He played his best Test on the wing, he can still inject himself into the line if he plays a roving winger style like Digby did, and he can drop back to defuse high balls easier as most wingers go.

I do not like the idea of Folau playing 13 and dropping back to fullback every chance he gets, especially when you got Cooper and Foley in the line wanting to do the same thing.

Keep Folau at fullback, either select 2 kicking wingers or move Folau to wing and select a kicking fullback.
 

Pfitzy

Nathan Sharpe (72)
Pretty much every Wallaby fullback has started on the wing at test level. Being played out of position can't be used an excuse for why that person should remain in the side.



People are making a lot of DHP being out of position. Fucking hell backs like to over complicate fairly simple things.

Cover defence for back three is identical if you're doing it right. You work as a unit, and communicate. Outside man trusts inside cover, and all that changes is the order of defense. Don't pass off poor decision making as being out of position. Players get out of position regularly in rugby, and good systems fix that.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
Staff member
I agree with your DHP reasoning.

But why isn't it okay to play Folau on the wing but it's okay to play him at 13?
He played his best Test on the wing, he can still inject himself into the line if he plays a roving winger style like Digby did, and he can drop back to defuse high balls easier as most wingers go.

I do not like the idea of Folau playing 13 and dropping back to fullback every chance he gets, especially when you got Cooper and Foley in the line wanting to do the same thing.

Keep Folau at fullback, either select 2 kicking wingers or move Folau to wing and select a kicking fullback.


I reckon this premise is completely untrue.

Sure he scored 2 tries against the Lions but I don't think that game holds a candle to many of his test performances since. The expectation is just much higher of him now.

In the 40 odd tests he's played since I think there are numerous performances that were better than that.
 

Viking

Mark Ella (57)
People are making a lot of DHP being out of position. Fucking hell backs like to over complicate fairly simple things.

Cover defence for back three is identical if you're doing it right. You work as a unit, and communicate. Outside man trusts inside cover, and all that changes is the order of defense. Don't pass off poor decision making as being out of position. Players get out of position regularly in rugby, and good systems fix that.


All the more reason DHP should get dropped. Poor missed tackles EVERY GAME HE'S PLAYED! All leading to tries.

His England Test's we all thought were just a couple rookie errors, we could forgive him and persist.

Now it's 4-5 Test's in a row and that is just not good enough.
 

Viking

Mark Ella (57)
I reckon this premise is completely untrue.

Sure he scored 2 tries against the Lions but I don't think that game holds a candle to many of his test performances since. The expectation is just much higher of him now.

In the 40 odd tests he's played since I think there are numerous performances that were better than that.


That's not the point though, The point is he can still be very effective on the wing and very involved in the game.

The premise for not playing him on the wing seems to be that he can't involve himself in the game as much - which I completely disagree with.

The B&I Lions game a prime example. Again, Digby is another example of a winger who was able to have more touches in a game then his centres.
 

Highlander35

Steve Williams (59)
That's not the point though, The point is he can still be very effective on the wing and very involved in the game.

The premise for not playing him on the wing seems to be that he can't involve himself in the game as much - which I completely disagree with.

The B&I Lions game a prime example. Again, Digby is another example of a winger who was able to have more touches in a game then his centres.
Sometimes that happens though. Hodge found himself a kick pass away from the nearest player once or twice, and a big cut out pass away 5 or 6 times.
 

RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
Staff member
Are Genia and AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) available for the next match? I thought they were just available for two kiwi tests.


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Marcelo

Ken Catchpole (46)
So you got Cooper at 10 who wants to drop back to fullback every chance he gets so he can hide in defence and counter-attack when he can.

You also got Foley at 12 who wants to drop back to fullback every chance he gets so he can hide in defence

And you got Folau at 13 who wants to drop back to fullback every chance he gets, like he does at the Tahs, so he can defuse the high balls and counter-attack.

And then we got outside backs who are poor defenders in the line = Mitchell, Kerevi, DHP = but at least one of them will be forced to defend in the line while the other guys drop back.

Do we not see a problem here?

Can we stop these stupid hybrid positions where half the team drop back to fullback and the other half shift around the defensive line.

And what are your picks? I don't see a Stephen Larkham, a Nick Farr-Jones or a John Eales there.

If you don't pick Cooper or Foley at 10. Who's your fly-half? Jack Debreczeni? Jake McIntyre?

Kerevi had a poor performance but Kuridrani wasn't good neither. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) is old and slow and Folau was good at 13 in Super Rugby. You don't have Tomane, Mitchell is a good kicker. Ok, DHP wasn't good in defense but he played well vs England. So those are the options. You can't pick Beauden Barrett or Aaron Smith.
 
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