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Phil Kearns (64)
The Shute Shield finals which would normally be held yesterday are being held today.
Wallabies v Springboks - Adelaide Oval, Sat 27th August, 2022
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The Shute Shield finals which would normally be held yesterday are being held today.
qwerty51
Stirling Mortlock (74)
See this image? It's pretty simple. A shoulder charge would mean his arm left is in front of Mapimpi - not behind him. ie. tucked close to his chest.
There's an attempt to wrap/use arms. That's really the only factor, we all know the shoulder was the main force but that happens all the time. The TMO cleared it quickly as he saw the arm.
Adam84
Rod McCall (65)
Go watch in real-time rather than freezing points of the video searching for confirmation bias. He clearly changed his stride, whether that was to step back inside or dive over we don't know, but he is not diving for the corner as you suggest.
Tomikin
David Codey (61)
That's fucking awesome..salty bitch
Grant NZ
Bill Watson (15)
Insufficiently attempting to wrap perhaps. Basically what he have is Koroibete having to run full pace to get there in time to attempt the tackle. He doesn't have sufficient time to square up or bring his left arm up in time to complete a legal tackle. It's a game of margins and he gets his timing slightly wrong which leads to him tackling illegally IMO.
Now, it's not a heinous example of a shoulder charge by any means - as the discussion and the decision shows, it's borderline and I can see how people would think it's ok. But given the context (ie, try scoring opportunity) he got a bit lucky for mine and could easily have seen the PT/YC combo on another day.
Grant NZ
Bill Watson (15)
I actually agree - I think he's trying to step inside & let Koroibete overshoot.
What he's clearly not doing is "jumping into or over the tackle" as evidenced by his feet being on the ground and him not jumping.
He might have been 'preparing to jump' but he didn't get the chance cause he got tackled illegally.
qwerty51
Stirling Mortlock (74)
Think I'd argue he gets his timing absoluely fucking perfect.
Grant NZ
Bill Watson (15)
I mean, sure.
Tomikin
David Codey (61)
He tried to jump and went into the tackle. It was a great tackle, his arms out in an attempt to wrap.
Mapimpe jumps for whatever reason... He should be more pissed off he didn't step off his left, korobetie would have gone straight past him. He tried to jump dive what ever you want to call it and got cleaned up in the cover tackle.
tragic
John Solomon (38)
Koro would have hit him with a text book tackle in the corner if he’d not changed direction. He realises at the last minute he’s not going to make it and tries to come inside and dive for the line.
That brings the contact a split second earlier, off the shoulder and launches him.
I think it was fine from both sides and just an immense tackle.
What rugby’s all about
edit - check out the spider cam view on the roar. It makes the direction change fairly clear
qwerty51
Stirling Mortlock (74)
Why don't we use actual laws terminology/reference here.
You mentioned "insufficient attempt to wrap" - doesn't say that anywhere in the law book.
Case closed.
You mentioned "insufficient attempt to wrap" - doesn't say that anywhere in the law book.
Looks like it's all about the arm position. His arm wasn't in the "sling/tucked" position nor is it behind Koroibete himself.
Case closed.
Grant NZ
Bill Watson (15)
D-Box
Cyril Towers (30)
The feet being on the ground at contact doesn't mean he is not trying to jump up and over, just that he hasn't completed it at the point of contact.
If you were to track the path of of his centre of mass (which is all that matters from a physics point of view) you would see it decelerate and start shifting up prior to contact. This is continuing post contact leading to the up and over. The shit also causes the point of contact to shift lowered on Mampimpi's body.
If Mampimpi didn't break and try to jump up I am pretty sure the result would have looked more like this
If you were to track the path of of his centre of mass (which is all that matters from a physics point of view) you would see it decelerate and start shifting up prior to contact. This is continuing post contact leading to the up and over. The shit also causes the point of contact to shift lowered on Mampimpi's body.
If Mampimpi didn't break and try to jump up I am pretty sure the result would have looked more like this
Adam84
Rod McCall (65)
bruh, what the fuck do you think that thing is attached to his torso.
I think you're confusing yourself with the definition also, the arm doesn't have to wrap around for it to be a legal tackle. you keep citing that as though thats the act of foul play, it isn't.
dru
David Wilson (68)
So what the slo mo shows is that you had to be really creative to find a still to present what you wanted. 10/10 for effort dude.
Grant NZ
Bill Watson (15)
That's not the law - that's from a guideline framework for high tackles.
The actual law is this
stillmissit
Peter Johnson (47)
I thought the major problem was that he tried to stop and step inside of Koro. Only watched the gif posted by dismal p.
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John Solomon (38)
Incidentally what the f#@k has rugby done to itself to make a spectacular cover tackle into a bleating frame by frame analysis and calls for a card.
15 years ago there would be no questions asked and that would be lauded as a spectacular tackle by both sides, no questions asked.
The tackle framework is one of the things that’s crocked rugby.
I’m all for improving player safety but this type of response and the escalation in player dives to milk a card shows they don’t have it right.
15 years ago there would be no questions asked and that would be lauded as a spectacular tackle by both sides, no questions asked.
The tackle framework is one of the things that’s crocked rugby.
I’m all for improving player safety but this type of response and the escalation in player dives to milk a card shows they don’t have it right.
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