Up the Guts
Steve Williams (59)
Weren't any overlaps this game. The fact he persisted with the strategy after the failure last match suggests it's coached.
Wallabies v Pumas, Bankwest (Parra), Sat 5th December
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Viking
Mark Ella (57)
No point in naming teams now, got a whole Super Rugby season to get through first.
Viking
Mark Ella (57)
He has blown over-laps this season. His poor execution was the big problem tonight. I don't think grubber kicks behind the defense is a poor tactic from the coach especially in wet weather against the Argies, it's the timing and execution that's the problem - and also the one time there is an over-lap (last match) and still putting in the grubber - this type of play supports the general consensus of what this forum is saying, our players have no rugby IQ, they can't execute a game plan effectively.
Derpus
Nathan Sharpe (72)
So in the end i actually enjoyed attending. Parra stadium is fucking ace. The acoustics are amazing and all the facilities are top notch. Shits on ANZ from a great height.
The game itself was shockers. Gardner may as well have cracked out a table and chairs and held a lecture at the start of each scrum reset. The delays wernt entirely his fault but fuck man, is there a worse ref in world rugby at the moment?
Fainga'a should be sacked. Nay arrested for fraud. Blokes a fulltime paid professional rugby player specialising as a hooker and he double pumps a key attacking throw. Fuck me sideways.
The intelligence of this team is just so damn low. Terrible decisions across the board.
The game itself was shockers. Gardner may as well have cracked out a table and chairs and held a lecture at the start of each scrum reset. The delays wernt entirely his fault but fuck man, is there a worse ref in world rugby at the moment?
Fainga'a should be sacked. Nay arrested for fraud. Blokes a fulltime paid professional rugby player specialising as a hooker and he double pumps a key attacking throw. Fuck me sideways.
The intelligence of this team is just so damn low. Terrible decisions across the board.
molman
Jim Lenehan (48)
I like Hosea a lot, but he is not at the standard of Simmons who seems to be a regular punching bag around here. Actually thought he had a pretty good series.
Also, Hanigan was serving a very specific role for both his utility and lineout options which he delivered on, not to mention if you actually watch his game, look at the data, he's far from as poor as some seem to want to insinuate. Valetini is a different player and Swinton likely would have been given more of a showing if not for the card/suspension.
Silverado
Dick Tooth (41)
The Argies had one in the bin about 5 minutes after LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto) so it was only 15 against 14 for 10 mins or so. Very hard game to watch
rodha
Dave Cowper (27)
Crikey, it's only been a year under Rennie & we're already grovelling at Robbie's feet begging for him to come back?
Maybe this time he can bring in Razor as his assistant? Deans has been Robertson's coaching mentor, they keep in regular contact, and he influenced Razor's methods right from the start, so their coaching philosophies are very tightly aligned.
Deans as the experienced head with previous inside knowledge of Australian rugby, along with Razor his budding apprentice.
Viking
Mark Ella (57)
I think you misread my post. I said the players were making poor decisions and have no rugby IQ. I just referenced a Dean's comment. Nothing about this being Rennie's fault.
Up the Guts
Steve Williams (59)
Exactly, the execution was the issue. I don't think it's fair to then say "he's bought into his own hype" etc. when he's trying to carry out the game plan but is making skill errors. This was my original point.
Viking
Mark Ella (57)
I agree with that it's not fair to say "he's bought into his own hype".
But that's not my argument. I'm saying he makes poor decisions on the rugby field based on all the Test matches this season. You seem to be implying he is a smart footballer and it's all the coaches fault - I disagree there.
molman
Jim Lenehan (48)
It didn't take a great lip reader to know that he knew he'd blown it on a few occassions. He'll improve.
Brumby Runner
Jason Little (69)
Molman, Rob Simmons did very little in tonight's game. I presume he called the lineouts although some on here attribute any losses to others. His kick that made about 40m looked awfully like he just wanted to get away from the ball when he thought he had taken it in an offside position.
Hanigan was effective at the lineout but along with Simmons in my recollection didn't make it over the gain line at all with ball in hand. Admittedly, neither did some others (BPA, Hooper, Wilson), but imo there simply is no justification for both Simmons and Hanigan to be on the ground together. It could well be that they are playing to the game plan, though I doubt that would be the case because they played exactly the same through their whole careers, but even if so, then there has to be a query about the game plan. It is the same or their efforts have been the same as in all the losses the Wallabies have suffered over the past 5 or 6 years. Time to go in another direction.
EDIT : Workrate alone without necessary quality hasn't and won't win us many games against any good opposition.
Hanigan was effective at the lineout but along with Simmons in my recollection didn't make it over the gain line at all with ball in hand. Admittedly, neither did some others (BPA, Hooper, Wilson), but imo there simply is no justification for both Simmons and Hanigan to be on the ground together. It could well be that they are playing to the game plan, though I doubt that would be the case because they played exactly the same through their whole careers, but even if so, then there has to be a query about the game plan. It is the same or their efforts have been the same as in all the losses the Wallabies have suffered over the past 5 or 6 years. Time to go in another direction.
EDIT : Workrate alone without necessary quality hasn't and won't win us many games against any good opposition.
formerflanker
Ken Catchpole (46)
Up the Guts
Steve Williams (59)
I think you've inferred that. I've not actually commented on whether the grubber was the right strategy or not or whether he is a smart player in general. My point was that it looks to be something laid down by the coaches (and it's probably the right strategy in the wet), claiming that he tries to do everything himself is then pretty unfair.
My general view on him is lack of experience at the top level and in Super at 13 has seen him struggle to make decisions when the defence is up in his face and he's not on the front foot. This has led to him trying to fling the ball away in a panic rather than taking the tackle and recycling.
formerflanker
Ken Catchpole (46)
Which team knocks out the All Blacks?
rodha
Dave Cowper (27)
The penalty count was 15-6.
Also the equalizing try the Wobbs scored was off a crooked line-out throw. Couldn't believe the ref missed that. It was only not straight by 3 metres!
Derpus
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Bit generous calling that a thought. More like a brain queef.
TSR
Andrew Slack (58)
Dave Rennie has said specifically I at least three seperate interviews/press conferences that the kick in behind is a deliberate strategy.
Note - I am not saying they were the right option or well executed when Petaia use them, but there still seems to be some comments which indicate people aren’t sure.
Note - I am not saying they were the right option or well executed when Petaia use them, but there still seems to be some comments which indicate people aren’t sure.