Wallabies v Poms, EOYT 2010, Twickenham

[vidiot]

Found the video on a planet rugby thread.

.....<some telesync footage of ashtons 2nd try>.....

I concur - should have been a penalty to us, if not a yellow card.

It was pretty blatant. Joubert decided immediately that it was a turnover as indicated by his run to the Australian side of the ruck. The wallabies defense was woeful in every way from that point though. Cooper and JOC (James O'Connor) tackled no one, and Mitchell was made to look ordinary. Turner... Oh Turner!!!! Where are you?

 

[fatprop]

Some details of tackles and missed

AUSTRALIA Tack Miss.Tack
Benn Robinson 12 1
Stephen Moore 18 2
Ben Alexander 9 4
Mark Chisholm 9 1
Nathan Sharpe 13 1
Rocky Elsom 16 2
David Pocock 15 0
Ben McCalman 9 3
Will Genia 5 1
Quade Cooper 5 5
Drew Mitchell 6 2
Matt Giteau 4 0
Adam Ashley-Cooper 4 3
James O'Connor 4 5
Kurtley Beale 6 2
James Slipper 2 2
Dean Mumm 5 0
Richard Brown 7 0
Luke Burgess 4 3

 

[vidiot]

Ouch. Though I'm surprised Cooper made it to 5-5.

 

[Blue]

Joubert reffed in the tri-nations right? He sin binned Giteau for a bit of a cynical try saving action (and no warnings etc)...how many AB's were sin binned for similar try saving actions?? Not many in my recollection. Giteau deserved to be sin binned, but a bit of consistency would be nice. Though there does seem to be some consistency with some sides getting away with what they like.

It is nothing unusual for a player to be binned for a blatant professional foul without a warning.

 

[johnjoel04]

It appears the pending return of TPN propelled Moore to shine or be displaced. We seem to have 4 options at hooker and all it takes is one game and you are at the bottom of the pile. If John Smit can play prop, why not move TPN to prop then. I doubt Andrew Sheridan will tear his ass down. Last season, Huia Edmonds did great as an impact player @ the Brumbies. He is way better than Saia Fainga'a.

This was a great loss for us. We are in the prime to be World Champions next year. We have finally built the confidence it takes to beat the AB yet we still need to improve our scrum effort and find a great kicker to beat a team that has knocked us out of the RWC TWICE. FUCK!

I hope we drop Giteau to 22 and move J'OC to 12 and bring in either Turner or Pat McCabe to the wing. The return of Lealiifano from Waikato may boost his chance of playing at the RWC next year. He has outplayed Carter @ 10 twice but he gets no props for it.

 

[fatprop]

The return of Lealiifano from Waikato may boost his chance of playing at the RWC next year. He has outplayed Carter @ 10 twice but he gets no props for it.

When?

 

[Lindommer]

(Genia's turnover) was pretty blatant. Joubert decided immediately that it was a turnover as indicated by his run to the Australian side of the ruck.

So why didn't the TJ/AR on the other side give him a hand? As the same fuckwit official should've intervened when Joubert was unsighted for Robinson's "strip" after clearly releasing the ball-carrier before digging for the pill.

I can take a loss if my team don't play well enough. But I can NEVER take incompetence from officials.

 

[Brumbies Guy]

Some details of tackles and missed

AUSTRALIA Tack Miss.Tack
Benn Robinson 12 1
Stephen Moore 18 2
Ben Alexander 9 4
Mark Chisholm 9 1
Nathan Sharpe 13 1
Rocky Elsom 16 2
David Pocock 15 0
Ben McCalman 9 3
Will Genia 5 1
Quade Cooper 5 5
Drew Mitchell 6 2
Matt Giteau 4 0
Adam Ashley-Cooper 4 3
James O'Connor 4 5
Kurtley Beale 6 2
James Slipper 2 2
Dean Mumm 5 0
Richard Brown 7 0
Luke Burgess 4 3

Where'd these stats come from? 37 is a lot of missed tackles, what's that like 75% success rate? 55% in the backs?

 

[Scotty]

Thanks Naza. You are right in that the ref often gives the advantage to the aggressive team, but how he can let Moody come in so blatantly from an offside position is beyond me.

You are going to be at this video thing.

 

[Scotty]

Where'd these stats come from? 37 is a lot of missed tackles,w hat's that like 75% success rate?

Wow, look at Stephen Moore's defensive work.

 

[stoff]

I think we got totally conned. Remember those comments Ford made about trinations tests not being real. We all got so incensed about how stupid the comment was we didn't realise that it was not an insult to us but an indication of what England intended to do and was entirely for internal consumption. So we did not really expect England to make such an effort to win the collisions and to run the ball with deadly purpose. Because we didn't expect it they caught us by surprise. That surprise was so bone deep we couldn't react to it over the 80.

I've been thinking along the same lines myself. Also, if there was half as much focus on the Wallaby scrum in camp as there was in the media and on the net, then that may have served as a second distraction. I don't think we were prepared to face an English side who were going to play that type of Rugby.

 

[naza]

Jeez Naza, I never even noticed that in realtime - I guess most fans would be amazed at how much off the ball stuff happens when looking into it.

Firstly, first post in a while, so congratulations to your boys 2 weeks ago. Great game, good atmosphere (believe it or not) and I thought at that point, it might be the coming of age game for you the Junior Wallabies. It certainly left me, as an AB supporter, with a deep feeling int he gut of just how competitive this Wallaby team is going to be come RWC 2011 & probably 2015 as well. So congrats and well played there.

But last night, jesus. I only managed to watch it on a shitty web feed (side note, Aus & Eng's possibly biggest expat city.... had nowhere showing the game - WTF???) and from what I saw the English played good honest solid England rugby & then chucked it around a bit which upset the Wallaby rhythm. All a bit strange. But you've got to give it to the poms, they played as if it was men against boys & they won it deservingly so with a deserving scoreline.
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Welcome back. Did you catch Scarfman's video where he pointed out Kiwi spoiling tactics of guys like Ben Franks taking out Wallabies not attached to the ruck ? Worth a watch.

The England game was a bit of a rugby lesson for our youngsters. We didn't treasure possession. England did. We kept hoping for England to relent and give us a chance to recover. They didn't.

NZ, Wales & England were all outstanding rugby games and you can tell by the activity on here that rugby fans are rejuvenated.

I'm a lot less concerned about these Wallabies than I was at the start of the year. We've got some firepower and pluck. We need to resolve the first up tackling, goalkicking, get these youngsters some more experience, and find one or two true brutes to lead the way up front.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

Naza you surprise me, I thought you'd be pretty downcast. FWIW I tend to agree on both your points about the quality of the games and the need not to panic about the Wallabies. Some areas and particular players need to be addressed though.

 

[fatprop]

Some dominant tackling would be nice, if we are good enough individually to smack them back, two or three combined would do the trick.

Also on a positive, early in the game Beale chased through a kick, slowed but did not stop the runner, then got up and made the next tackle, then got up and made the following tackle. If he can do it, Cooper can IMHO, it is all about attitude.

 

[DPK]

I recall that fatprop, and I remember thinking I should raise that on here. But I forgot.

Anyway, Beale's starting to look like Pocock in that even when everyone else is playing like dipshits or when we're getting smacked, he stands up.

 

[Rothschild]

For a while now I have been very hesitant to draw any conclusions from our victories over the AB's in Honkers or the Bokkes this year.
Personally I felt those victories were not gained through any ascendancy or acquiring skills necessary. We just happened to win.
Our game plans are totally flawed, our players do not have the requisite skills and mental toughness to make winning at this level against top tier teams any more than occasional success.
We have no right to say we are No2 in the world when we are not and can't play the game with the same level of intensity and mental toughness as the AB's on a consistent basis. Currently, we will take a win but I never expect us to do so, particularl against top teams such as the AB's.

When we are able to improve to the point where the expectancy of us winning against the AB's is on a par with their current expectancy to win, then we might say we are competitive at the top.

 

[RedsHappy]

How did you count it? Why?

Why? Just a cheap shot(s). 'Let's have a giggly, subtly personal, group jibe at RH's text length, but not discuss the substance'. None of the core issues I raised were (amicably or otherwise) dealt with or rebutted after my post. There are issues that sometimes must be set forth with a bit of text and a bit of 'stream of thought'. Tons of amusing, quippy one or two liners are fine for certain topics, but, IMO, not for all. And if people think 'oh no, not more boring and irrelevant text from RH', the great thing about blogs is just: don't bother to read RH, move on quickly to the preferenced brevity.'

I have endured jibes (some quite unpleasant) from Groucho, Cyclo, Daz, DPK/TK and others (incl Gaggs) over many months, some clearly designed not only to undermine my style, but also on occasion to deter the consistent substantive line being conveyed which offends these posters' general preference for a particular kind of Wallabies'/RD non-critiqueing that I question.

 

[DPK]

FFS, RH, no one brought that validity of your post into question. NO ONE said anything with the intention of putting you down.

Your post was good. I thought it covered the topics being discussed well, and the metatext was good enough to cover most of the possible rebuttals anyway!

When you write a post that is about 700 words over the average length of normal posts, you have to expect to cop a bit of flak.

 

[Lindommer]

When you write a post that is about 700 words over the average length of normal posts, you have to expect to cop a bit of flak.

In a word, why?

 

[Lindommer]

I have endured jibes (some quite unpleasant) from Groucho, Cyclo, Daz, DPK/TK and others (incl Gaggs) over many months, some clearly designed not only to undermine my style, but also on occasion to deter the consistent substantive line being conveyed which offends these posters' general preference for a particular kind of Wallabies'/RD non-critiqueing that I question.

Only 57 words in that sentence, RH? Must do better.