Wallabies v Lions Game 2 MCG 26 July

[John S]

Well, you can't ban playing diving when scoring. Imagine having to place the ball down while running. However, you should never be allowed to jump over a tackler regardless of its while scoring a try. I remember a wallaby try disallowed for this exact reason when he dove over a ruck. I think it was Wilson from memory.

I think you're right. The counter argument is that it wasn't a ruck, and the Wallabies attempted a tackle while he was in the act of scoring (which is BS)

 

[Super Hooper]

Does anyone have any videos of Haskell or a Pommie claiming what they're denying nowadays? It would be great to find it.

 

[Super Hooper]

I think it was Wilson from memory.

Which game?

 

[Super Hooper]

What about this disallowed try??? What can they say about the height of the head? It was level with the ground.

 

[Backintheolddays]

I’m stunned more isn’t being made of the hookers jump/dive try. While the last minute try has a lot of emotion attached and technical merit the try by their hooker is an appalling precedent.

 

[PhilClinton]

For the diving through the air to score a try - I wouldn't be surprised to see the Wallabies do the same thing off a quick tap if they get a chance in Sydney. If for no reason but to see what the outcome is.

The controversy around the situation may cause WR (World Rugby) to review the actions and make an amendment to the laws to make it more explicit what is allowed to happen in that situation.

For example, in the NRL, a player jumping in the air to catch a ball isn't allowed to be tackled. However, if the ball bounces first and the player jumps into the air to catch it, that player may in fact be tackled. It is a strange variation as I don't believe there is a lower amount of danger, but the rule is there to deter players from jumping into the air to simply draw a penalty or gain an advantage.

We could see rules more clearly adapted where if a player with the ball in hand deliberately jumps into the air in any part of the field, that player is penalised. The same way a player who is off their feet is out of the game.

 

[Strewthcobber]

We could see rules more clearly adapted where if a player with the ball in hand deliberately jumps into the air in any part of the field, that player is penalised. The same way a player who is off their feet is out of the game.

Don't think that works. Which is why we have the current version

 

[JRugby2]

What about this disallowed try??? What can they say about the height of the head? It was level with the ground.

I think the Tizz hit should have been pinged but this isn't really a like for like scenario here. 8 blue is a passive player on the ground in this clip and there is absolutely no attempt by AAAAAAAAs to wrap at all.

 

[Tomthumb]

 

[Tex]

Not going to lie, Saturday might have broken something deep in me.

Such a disappointing end to years of anticipation.

 

[Dismal Pillock]

Such a disappointing end to years of anticipation.

 

[Strewthcobber]

The Aki one is another that isn't a like-for like either. Blue player is in position way before Aki gets there. For the Tizzano one it's way away closer to a "normal" cleanout

 

[PhilClinton]

Don't think that works. Which is why we have the current version

Yeh I know - it is a hard. Obviously a strict no jumping rule would mostly impact wingers trying to leave their feet when scoring in the corner.

How about -

"A player with ball in hand may only leave their feet when in the motion of scoring a try in the 5m channel next to the touchline, or when both of their feet have crossed the plane to the in-goal area" - that last part is so we can still have sick dives.

 

[Tomthumb]

The Aki one is another that isn't a like-for like either. Blue player is in position way before Aki gets there. For the Tizzano one it's way away closer to a "normal" cleanout

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Sure it's not exactly like for like, but is it so different that this one was a straight red card and an 8 week suspension whereas the one on Tizzano wasn't even a penalty?

 

[Strewthcobber]

Sure it's not exactly like for like, but is it so different that this one was a straight red card and an 8 week suspension whereas the one on Tizzano wasn't even a penalty?

Yes.

Such is rugby union

 

[Omar Comin']

I’m stunned more isn’t being made of the hookers jump/dive try. While the last minute try has a lot of emotion attached and technical merit the try by their hooker is an appalling precedent.

I think it's just because the dive try was so early in the game that if it hadn't been awarded the whole match would have been different - who's to know what the result would have been. Whereas the Tizzano clear out was in the final minute, so there's a clearer sense that if you cancel that try the result is different (albeit the Wallabies would have still had to kick for touch and navigate a lineout before time would have been up).

I was interested to see if there's ever been a result overturned in professional sport due to a refereeing error and found this interesting case from the NBA. In 2008 the final 51.9 seconds of a game between the Miami Heat and Atlanta Hawks was replayed 3 months after the original game - right before the start of their next scheduled game that season. Shaquille O'Neal had been fouled out of the original game at that time, but it was subsequently discovered to be an error (it was recorded as his 6th foul when it was only his 5th). The league upheld the protest and so they replayed the final minute, though the score ended the same.

But hey, that's a clear precedent in global sport. If the clean out is deemed illegal I'm sure the Lions will agree the honourable thing to do is to replay the final minute in Sydney before we kick off game 3

 

[Rebel man]

I think it's just because the dive try was so early in the game that if it hadn't been awarded the whole match would have been different - who's to know what the result would have been. Whereas the Tizzano clear out was in the final minute, so there's a clearer sense that if you cancel that try the result is different (albeit the Wallabies would have still had to kick for touch and navigate a lineout before time would have been up).

I was interested to see if there's ever been a result overturned in professional sport due to a refereeing error and found this interesting case from the NBA. In 2008 the final 51.9 seconds of a game between the Miami Heat and Atlanta Hawks was replayed 3 months after the original game - right before the start of their next scheduled game that season. Shaquille O'Neal had been fouled out of the original game at that time, but it was subsequently discovered to be an error (it was recorded as his 6th foul when it was only his 5th). The league upheld the protest and so they replayed the final minute, though the score ended the same.

But hey, that's a clear precedent in global sport. If the clean out is deemed illegal I'm sure the Lions will agree the honourable thing to do is to replay the final minute in Sydney before we kick off game 3

Less than 30 seconds on the clock we Colgate waited the 30 seconds we are allowed kicked it to ourselves then out and its game over