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Wallabies v Lions Game 2 MCG 26 July

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Stirling Mortlock (74)
I mean, rugby is fundamentally a game about combinations and cohesion. So trying the same thing over and over should improve our performance.
 

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Ken Catchpole (46)
On the bench?
Over lynagh last year? Yes

Why did he start against Georgia? Why did he start against Argentina? Why was Lynagh never used?

It's so stupid that it's something Eddie Jones would do but people seem so hesitant to criticize Schmidt about anything
 

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Ken Catchpole (46)
I mean, rugby is fundamentally a game about combinations and cohesion. So trying the same thing over and over should improve our performance.
It's about combinations yet we pair Laynagh with a 9 and 12 he has never played with before

The more we talk about it the more it sounds like Eddie Jones. Combined with Schmidt in the post match basically saying this is a development series for them
 

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George Smith (75)
Over lynagh last year? Yes

Why did he start against Georgia? Why did he start against Argentina? Why was Lynagh never used?

It's so stupid that it's something Eddie Jones would do but people seem so hesitant to criticize Schmidt about anything

Last year?

Probably because it was Lynagh's debut season and he didn't want to repeat the mistakes Rennie made with Lolesio... but that was last year.
 

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Arch Winning (36)
And Donaldson has played the full 80 in the majority of the Force's matches this year. I really don't get the argument of him being better suited to the bench because of his ability to cover 15. He can do that when starting at 10 as well.
Yes. Complete nonsense. To start a rookie 10 in Lynagh for a Lions series is crazy. Joe obviously doesn't rate Donaldson. Now we go to Melbourne, the series on the line and I'm guessing Joe will have minimal changes apart from Valetini and possibly Skelton. I'm cheering our boys home but the Lions will no doubt step up a gear. They want a clean sweep of this series otherwise they will be deemed failures against a side that hasn't hit its straps for a while.
 

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Ken Catchpole (46)
Last year?

Probably because it was Lynagh's debut season and he didn't want to repeat the mistakes Rennie made with Lolesio... but that was last year.
He want's to avoid mistakes by throwing a 22 year old in his first start with no combinations around him against the British & Irish Lions?
 

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George Smith (75)
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Arch Winning (36)
But Lynagh wasn't the next, that the point. Donaldson was, he started 2 games last year along with many bench cameos. Lynagh was the 3rd and then 4th string 10 last year with 0 starts

Donaldson also has far more experience as a pro, has been (and played pretty well) to a World Cup and was Schmidt's backup 10 all last year

Like I said, it's an illogical decision
It's not like Lynagh is some gun hotshot streets ahead of Donaldson. I don't understand it. The Lions will target him if he is selected again. Probably even more so. Joe knows best ... apparently.
 

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Arch Winning (36)
Does that mean Schmidt will make sweeping changes and start Ben Donaldson this week?
No. I'm sure Schmidt has picked Lynagh for all 3 Lions Tests. Difference being for Carter and Donno at the World Cup, it was all their fault they lost, but in Lynagh's case it will be he's young, and had no forward's winning the collisions! How did our forwards go at the World Cup? As we all know, no 10 goes well when the piggies don't dominate. I hope we can miraculously win in Melbourne though!
 

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Will Genia (78)
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When Lolesio went down we ended up in an unenviable position of picking between two players with limited experience and issues with their game (not that Lolesio doesn't also have issues, he certainly has more experience though).

My view is Schmidt went with Lynagh mostly on the back of a superior kicking game and thinking that his weaknesses could be largely covered up. His kicking didn't go well and we didn't cover up those weaknesses well.

I don't know if he'll now switch to Donaldson. I would guess he won't and will back Lynagh and the team to improve.

Pretending that there's a clear difference in their relative abilities or that the game would have gone substantially differently with Donaldson starting seems like incredibly wishful thinking. Unless Donaldson was about to start making dominant tackles and making strong carries across the advantage line he wasn't going to change much.
 

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Ken Catchpole (46)
So it doesn't appear to be anything like Eddie Jones... not even the slightest bit similar.
Huh? Eddie didn't change the whole team every game

What he did do was throw a young playmaker in unprepared, not use any existing combinations, play players out of position, under-rate experience and not have a gameplan built to beat the opponent coming up next. All of which Schmidt has done
 

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Ken Catchpole (46)
When Lolesio went down we ended up in an unenviable position of picking between two players with limited experience and issues with their game (not that Lolesio doesn't also have issues, he certainly has more experience though).

My view is Schmidt went with Lynagh mostly on the back of a superior kicking game and thinking that his weaknesses could be largely covered up. His kicking didn't go well and we didn't cover up those weaknesses well.

I don't know if he'll now switch to Donaldson. I would guess he won't and will back Lynagh and the team to improve.

Pretending that there's a clear difference in their relative abilities or that the game would have gone substantially differently with Donaldson starting seems like incredibly wishful thinking. Unless Donaldson was about to start making dominant tackles and making strong carries across the advantage line he wasn't going to change much.
Does he though. I've watched a lot of Reds games and he's a decent kicker but his boot is underpowered, especially at Test level

Donaldson can certainly be inconsistent but has a massive boot and can be very accurate at times. At what he would have changed is being able to take the ball to the line, draw defenders and make quick decisions. Donaldson can step anyone so defenders have to stay on him more, he's a better passer and he takes the ball forward before passing so teams cant just drift off him like they do with Lynagh
 
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