Wallabies v Lions, 19 July Suncorp

[Froggy]

Well, that wasn't as bad as it might have been, but never-the-less I thought the score-line flattered us. My thoughts:
Scrum was good, but lineout poor, however the biggest issue for our forwards was the inability to bend the line with the ball in hand. Guys like Frost, Williams and Wilson get through a lot of work, but they rarely threaten the advantage line
The backs just didn't seem to get going, a combination of the in-your-face defence of the Lions (and questionable offside) and just no flow. Ikatau mostly just ran into contact, JAS didn't ever see the ball with any space, and the only ball the wings saw was off kicks or loose bits of play. Contrast this with the way the Lions backs flowed, particularly in the first half, was chalk and cheese.
BOK's response to the shoulder to the head clean-out, tackle in the air and no arms tackle indicate a complete reversal of the player safety issues the game has been working so hard on.
Individually, most Wallabies had a fair game, the only real disappointments in my eyes were Potter, and Lynagh's kicking out of hand, however by the same token none really shone (perhaps Jorgo, but he would be it).
It is clear the Lions are going to constantly target Lynagh and Jorgensen with bombs, both being relatively short, Joe needs to work out how to deal wtih that.

 

[Sir Arthur Higgins]

Derps, I agree with you but the touchies and TMO all agreed with him on every decision, they are allowed to disagree with him aren't they?
Poor Ben, all he wants is everything to be nice and float along smoothly...

I was surprised that curry didn’t get a yellow for the tackle on lynagh.
Other way around on the furlong head shot and we’d be saying but his height changed!
I’d be hard pressed to call that a no arms tackle and all saw it the same on field so whatever.
Was a bit surprised that JAS getting dragged over wasn’t a try tho?

 

[Omar Comin']

Other way around on the furlong head shot and we’d be saying but his height changed!

But how is his height going up a mitigation? If anything it's the opposite - it would help avoid a high shot.

 

[Running_rugby_1954]

When did the lynagh chip kick happen last night?

He also can’t execute a pass left to right… go back and watch them.

 

[Derpus]

I was surprised that curry didn’t get a yellow for the tackle on lynagh.
Other way around on the furlong head shot and we’d be saying but his height changed!
I’d be hard pressed to call that a no arms tackle and all saw it the same on field so whatever.
Was a bit surprised that JAS getting dragged over wasn’t a try tho?

JAS being dragged over and not getting a try for it was the only bit that made sense. You must release the ball once tackled.

He was only in that position because Earl chopped his ankles with a shoulder. Been a penalty for a decade +. Queefy boy obviously under instruction to keep it 15 on 15.

 

[dru]

JAS being dragged over and not getting a try for it was the only bit that made sense. You must release the ball once tackled.

He was only in that position because Earl chopped his ankles with a shoulder. Been a penalty for a decade +. Queefy boy obviously under instruction to keep it 15 on 15.

Should probably put this in the ref decision s thread but - He was not tackled initially. Then the defenders got hold of the ball and dragged him over. Does he actually have to release? Over the try line? Don't they also have to release the player?

Clearly my rule knowledge is dodgy but I found the whole thing weird.

 

[Strewthcobber]

Should probably put this in the ref decision s thread but - He was not tackled initially. Then the defenders got hold of the ball and dragged him over. Does he actually have to release? Over the try line? Don't they also have to release the player?

Clearly my rule knowledge is dodgy but I found the whole thing weird.

He wasn't tackled but went to ground, so covered by law 13.

Defenders can't fall on him, but don't have to let him or the ball go once he's on the ground.

JAS has to let go of the ball while on the ground, or get back up, did none of those, so was penalised

 

[Derpus]

Should probably put this in the ref decision s thread but - He was not tackled initially. Then the defenders got hold of the ball and dragged him over. Does he actually have to release? Over the try line? Don't they also have to release the player?

Clearly my rule knowledge is dodgy but I found the whole thing weird.

I dunno man the more I watch Rugby the less the rules make any sense.

 

[Tex]

He wasn't tackled but went to ground, so covered by law 13.

Defenders can't fall on him, but don't have to let him or the ball go once he's on the ground.

JAS has to let go of the ball while on the ground, or get back up, did none of those, so was penalised

All that makes sense provided you accept O'Keefe's ruling of a fair tackle, which I don't.

Chop tackle without arms, penalty advantage Australia.

 

[Strewthcobber]

All that makes sense provided you accept O'Keefe's ruling of a fair tackle, which I don't.

Chop tackle without arms, penalty advantage Australia.

I accept that almost no one else agrees here, but the front on view showed he clearly attempted to use arms, they were seperated from his body (ie it wasn't a shoulder charge) which will be enough to not get penalised.

You don't have to wrap, you just have to attempt to wrap

 

[Derpus]

I accept that almost no one else agrees here, but the front on view showed he clearly attempted to use arms, they were seperated from his body (ie it wasn't a shoulder charge) which will be enough to not get penalised.

You don't have to wrap, you just have to attempt to wrap

If thats to the letter of the law then so be it. That is a shoulder charge though. There is no way his arms would ever be able to actually wrap with such a technique.

 

[Marbig]

Only valid criticism of Lynagh was his kicking and he’s not the only one guilty of that last night. Did well at distributing the ball, considering he and Gordon were clearly out of sync. I do like having Tate come off the bench , but I just can’t see Gordon retaining his spot. Service was often slow and had far too many passes to people who clearly weren’t supposed to be getting the ball.

It doesn’t help when the forwards didn’t establish a platform until the second half when Tom Wright also decided it was time to have a crack.

Pretty happy with the Wallabies second half, might have been a bit closer to clawing back an unlikely upset if BOK dished out what was three clear yellow cards.

 

[todd4]

Only valid criticism of Lynagh was his kicking and he’s not the only one guilty of that last night. Did well at distributing the ball, considering he and Gordon were clearly out of sync. I do like having Tate come off the bench , but I just can’t see Gordon retaining his spot. Service was often slow and had far too many passes to people who clearly weren’t supposed to be getting the ball.

Have 2 experienced halves pairings - Tate & Lynagh and White & Donno. Have one pair start and the other pair come on together with 20-25 mins to go.

 

[Strewthcobber]

Only valid criticism of Lynagh was his kicking and he’s not the only one guilty of that last night. Did well at distributing the ball, considering he and Gordon were clearly out of sync. I do like having Tate come off the bench , but I just can’t see Gordon retaining his spot. Service was often slow and had far too many passes to people who clearly weren’t supposed to be getting the ball.

I reckon you are giving the person in the backline who is supposed to be organising the pods and calling the plays a bit of a free pass here.

 

[Shiggins]

I accept that almost no one else agrees here, but the front on view showed he clearly attempted to use arms, they were seperated from his body (ie it wasn't a shoulder charge) which will be enough to not get penalised.

You don't have to wrap, you just have to attempt to wrap

100 percent disagree. His left arm was miles back and his right arm was bent. Diving at knees with shoulder has been a penalty for years. Both his hands would need to be wrapping behind jas legs. His timing was wrong. It's a penalty. It's only yellow because it the repeated infringements

 

[HooperPocockSmith]

Anyone read Oliver Brown’s piece in the Herald this morning? Very scathing of our performance, but has me thinking throughout, if we were so bad, why didn’t they put 50 on us? If I were Schmidt, I’d be hanging it up in the sheds this week.

 

[rugbyAU]

Anyone read Oliver Brown’s piece in the Herald this morning? Very scathing of our performance, but has me thinking throughout, if we were so bad, why didn’t they put 50 on us? If I were Schmidt, I’d be hanging it up in the sheds this week.

Exactly 3 tries all against this so-called ‘amazing’ Lions side

 

[molman]

Do you reckon the Lions played well? I think they would be pretty happy with the win but disappointed with their errors and scrum. The poor kicking from their wings probably kept us in the game.

I'd say both teams have a lot of improvement in them. Unfortunately Lions look a lot closer to where they want to be with their selected team. We probably need changes in players in the field (pray for Valetini)

Agreed. I thought a couple of players had really poor games, Lowe being one of them. Their bench didn't seem to have good cohesion either.

 

[molman]

But how is his height going up a mitigation? If anything it's the opposite - it would help avoid a high shot.

Had similar thought. I need to go rewatch, but almost looked like Furlong drove up if anything.

 

[eastman]

I know you hate League but after this game I would study every wrecking ball player in any League comoetition who aren't as famous as Sua'ali'i and invest in them. There is no wrecking ball players in all 4 Super Rugby franchises. The scrum has been an issue in the last decades, tonight was pretty solid. So you have to find what you miss

Chill Marce.