Wallabies v All Blacks Saturday 26th August at Forsyth Barr Stadium, Dunedin

[USARugger]

Anyone bagging Hooper for the A. Smith try has never played flanker and especially not in a scrum that was going backwards (unless, of course, you somehow think that was his fault too)

 

[fatprop]

It isn't AFL! There is no consolation prize for hitting the post.

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Agreed, the challenge was if he was shanking someone else would have been handed the kicking tee, but he wasn't so they had to commit to him that bit longer

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Sure we lost but when comparing our performance last week to this week it was a remarkable turnaround.

Truly remarkable.
The big question is how can a side change that much in a week when they had 4 weeks to prepare for the first game?
Answer that question and we will be some way to solving the puzzle.

 

[Derpus]

Truly remarkable.
The big question is how can a side change that much in a week when they had 4 weeks to prepare for the first game?
Answer that question and we will be some way to solving the puzzle.

Hooper said they needed a warm-up game. Could be something to that.

 

[ForceFan]

Is that correct or a typo? Made 3 and missed 6??

It's not a typo.

Just incorrect and now corrected.

 

[Braveheart81]

It's not a typo.

ESPNscrum and SANZAR both have 9 tackles made, 6 missed.

 

[tragic]

Subjective rambling

And right on cue again.
This forum is nothing if not predictable.

 

[ForceFan]

ESPNscrum and SANZAR both have 9 tackles made, 6 missed.

Thanks BH......My error (it was late last night but no excuse Comparing the the total tackle count of 108 tackles effective from 140 attempts - 32 tackles missed - 77% effectiveness.

Hooper's numbers should be 9 made/6 missed.

Numbers now corrected.

Apologies MH.

 

[Lost]

Any word on the citing reviews?

Surely they cannot sweep away the Retallick tip?

 

[Braveheart81]

Any word on the citing reviews?

Surely they cannot sweep away the Retallick tip?

 

[Braveheart81]

Or another

 

[Micheal]

Mate I just call it as it is.
Backing foleys kicking last game because they didn't miss by much, and excusing hoopers missed tackles because he was acting as a shooter is laughable. It's either provincialism or it's lack of insight.

My problem with this is that everyone "calls it as it is" to the extent that they call it as they see it from where they're standing.

Hooper was acting as the shooter and in that role its inherently harder to make all of your tackles. It's quite easy for the ball-runner to evade the tackle by slipping inside of the shooter. However, this inevitably leads them back towards the breakdown and into heavier traffic (almost as if it was planned!).

People aren't excusing Foley for missing a fuck-tonne of kicks out there on Saturday. That was a shitty kicking performance and if he was on it could have altered the game.

What people are instead suggesting is that he missed 3 of those kicks by about an inch (as it hit the goal post), he kicked 100% last week and he is statistically Australia's best kicker.

It's kind of like how Kiwis all over Reddit are saying that Retallick's incident didn't deserve a penalty, let alone a citing or a card. It's not because they don't have the insight that you do, tragic, and it's not because they're being willfully ignorant despite knowing better, it's simply because their thought process isn't entirely objective because it's clouded by thousands of variables, both conscious and unconscious.

It's the very same for you and I. Let's not be so dogmatic.

 

[ACT Crusader]

I think he will be cited and suspended for one week. In doing so will miss the important clash for his beloved Hawkes Bay against Canterbury this coming weekend

 

[barbarian]

It's kind of like how Kiwis all over Reddit are saying that Retallick's incident didn't deserve a penalty, let alone a citing or a card. It's not because they don't have the insight that you do, tragic, and it's not because they're being willfully ignorant despite knowing better, it's simply because their thought process isn't entirely objective because it's clouded by thousands of variables, both conscious and unconscious.

It's the very same for you and I. Let's not be so dogmatic.

What is thought? What is rugby? Who actually ARE the Waratahs? Isn't this all just a construct, a way for all of us to waste time as the world spins around us?

In other words........ Foley is still heaps better than Quade.
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[Derpus]

What is thought? What is rugby? Who actually ARE the Waratahs? Isn't this all just a construct, a way for all of us to waste time as the world spins around us?

In other words.... Foley is still heaps better than Quade.
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As far as im concerned the axiomatic truths of the universe are:

'I think therefore i am'

'Foley is better than Quade'

 

[barbarian]

Sean McMahon was the most pleasing aspect of the match. It actually reminded me of what it's like to have a half-decent number 8 on the field. Despite his lack of height he's still the most effective ball-runner we've seen for a long time.
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[Sully]

My problem with this is that everyone "calls it as it is" to the extent that they call it as they see it from where they're standing.

Hooper was acting as the shooter and in that role its inherently harder to make all of your tackles. It's quite easy for the ball-runner to evade the tackle by slipping inside of the shooter. However, this inevitably leads them back towards the breakdown and into heavier traffic (almost as if it was planned!).

People aren't excusing Foley for missing a fuck-tonne of kicks out there on Saturday. That was a shitty kicking performance and if he was on it could have altered the game.

What people are instead suggesting is that he missed 3 of those kicks by about an inch (as it hit the goal post), he kicked 100% last week and he is statistically Australia's best kicker.

It's kind of like how Kiwis all over Reddit are saying that Retallick's incident didn't deserve a penalty, let alone a citing or a card. It's not because they don't have the insight that you do, tragic, and it's not because they're being willfully ignorant despite knowing better, it's simply because their thought process isn't entirely objective because it's clouded by thousands of variables, both conscious and unconscious.

It's the very same for you and I. Let's not be so dogmatic.

At least three of his missed tackles was as wing defence and not shooting up at all.

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[KAOPointman]

My problem with this is that everyone "calls it as it is" to the extent that they call it as they see it from where they're standing.

Hooper was acting as the shooter and in that role its inherently harder to make all of your tackles. It's quite easy for the ball-runner to evade the tackle by slipping inside of the shooter. However, this inevitably leads them back towards the breakdown and into heavier traffic (almost as if it was planned!).

People aren't excusing Foley for missing a fuck-tonne of kicks out there on Saturday. That was a shitty kicking performance and if he was on it could have altered the game.

What people are instead suggesting is that he missed 3 of those kicks by about an inch (as it hit the goal post), he kicked 100% last week and he is statistically Australia's best kicker.

It's kind of like how Kiwis all over Reddit are saying that Retallick's incident didn't deserve a penalty, let alone a citing or a card. It's not because they don't have the insight that you do, tragic, and it's not because they're being willfully ignorant despite knowing better, it's simply because their thought process isn't entirely objective because it's clouded by thousands of variables, both conscious and unconscious.

It's the very same for you and I. Let's not be so dogmatic.

Yeah and no ones put their hand up with their "assessment" and taken note that Foley threw 2 terrible cut out passes that were intercepted and would both have been instant tries if it wasn't for extremely lucky timing with ABs infringing both times.(let me be clear, they were not passes under advantage)
Yet someone posts how Foley misses only 1 of 14 tackles and the typicals jump on that like a Halo.........

 

[Froggy]

Whereas you dismiss it KAOP.
Two opposite reactions, based on the pre-conceptions of the two parties.

 

[Derpus]

Yeah and no ones put their hand up with their "assessment" and taken note that Foley threw 2 terrible cut out passes that were intercepted and would both have been instant tries if it wasn't for extremely lucky timing with ABs infringing both times.(let me be clear, they were not passes under advantage)
Yet someone posts how Foley misses only 1 of 14 tackles and the typicals jump on that like a Halo...

Look we get it, he's not the best 10 kicking around the world. Problem is, he's by far the best Australian 10 kicking round and so we are stuck with him. We don't even have any teenage prodigy's coming through. Our shortage of competent 10s is almost an emergency situation.