Wallabies v All Blacks Saturday 26th August at Forsyth Barr Stadium, Dunedin
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Mark Ella (57)
Chek's nig issue is which one ?
In years past a certain Wallaby Coach would have gladly pulled both of them
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Colin Windon (37)
since when is defence a secondary consideration in test footy? after you sort your lineout and scrum (and even if you don't sort those things out), defence and kicking are the most important things.
We will never win a shootout with these guys. Of the 159 tests we've played, and the 42 wins, we've beaten them when they've scored more than 20 (their average: 12.7)on four occasions. October 2010 (24) , September 2001 (26) , Aug 2000 (23) and Aug 98 (23). Obviously if you go back far enough, trys were worth less etc, but surely we can see that they need to be kept to ~16 or less for us to realistically win (their pro-era average when losing to is 17.5).
If we really want to win (at all legal costs), we need to play the game in their half and defend well. They aren't perfect and will fuckup. Sometimes those opportunities will give as a chance to score 3, and sometimes 5 or 7. But we aren't gonna beat them playing their helter-skelter game, that's certain.
Part of our problem is that we like to see ourselves as fit, fast and capable of playing wild and loose. But at least relative to the ABs, we aren't those things anymore and haven't been for more than a decade. The only answer for us to slow it down, play it tight and grind it out.
We will never win a shootout with these guys. Of the 159 tests we've played, and the 42 wins, we've beaten them when they've scored more than 20 (their average: 12.7)on four occasions. October 2010 (24) , September 2001 (26) , Aug 2000 (23) and Aug 98 (23). Obviously if you go back far enough, trys were worth less etc, but surely we can see that they need to be kept to ~16 or less for us to realistically win (their pro-era average when losing to is 17.5).
If we really want to win (at all legal costs), we need to play the game in their half and defend well. They aren't perfect and will fuckup. Sometimes those opportunities will give as a chance to score 3, and sometimes 5 or 7. But we aren't gonna beat them playing their helter-skelter game, that's certain.
Part of our problem is that we like to see ourselves as fit, fast and capable of playing wild and loose. But at least relative to the ABs, we aren't those things anymore and haven't been for more than a decade. The only answer for us to slow it down, play it tight and grind it out.
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Mark Ella (57)
Certainly the "hate mail" debate has taken the focus off the performance/criticism of Cheika. Classic political play at work for me.
Interesting to me and my mate Chuck
Interesting to me and my mate Chuck
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Jeez... what a loss Coleman is, compounded by the fact that Simmons is in the squad ahead of Carter and other inform locks. Rodda is a good young talent, but he isn't the 4th best lock in Australia on form, perhaps in a few years.
Glad for the young bloke to make his debut, but would have preferred it to be alongside Coleman or Arnold, not in place of them.
Glad for the young bloke to make his debut, but would have preferred it to be alongside Coleman or Arnold, not in place of them.
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David Wilson (68)
Completely, totally, unequivocally improved. No nutty possession strategy. No D barn dance. Players largely in position and largely selected from on-field performance rather than" it works well in training". We'd have had 20 years of skill building. Fitness would be built through the season and would not be used as an excuse for shoddy coaching.
Black and white difference.
Though not likely to be as good as the Kiwis.
I think it's pretty safe to say that if we had a better governing body, better Super Rugby head coaches and assistant coaches, better club coaches and better assistant coaches at international level, any head coach would be able to produce better results than we are currently seeing.
It is plain as day that there are issues at every single level.
It is plain as day that there are issues at every single level.
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Mark Ella (57)
I reveal our secret weapon. 
Barnaby Joyce nominated for New Zealander of the Year following citizenship bungle
By political reporter Matthew Doran
Posted about 3 hours agoFri 25 Aug 2017, 11:39am
Australia's highest profile New Zealander, Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce, has received the second-most nominations for 2018 New Zealander of the Year.
Nominations officially close next month, at which stage the awards office said it would "assess Mr Joyce's eligibility based on his citizenship and other criteria".
The Deputy Prime Minister's links to the Land of the Long White Cloud have been thrust into the spotlight in recent weeks, amid Federal Parliament's dual citizenship crisis.
Mr Joyce found he was a dual citizen of Australia and New Zealand because his father was born there, which has led to his eligibility to sit in Parliament being questioned in the High Court.
Australian and Kiwi relations have been tested during the citizenship saga, with allegations from the Coalition that Labor is guilty of tawdry Trans-Tasman treachery by using NZ Labour politicians to ask questions of their Government about dual citizenship.
The award is described as honouring "people for their contribution to the wellbeing of New Zealand".
"Proven, inspirational and passionate, these are the people that New Zealanders are proud to call their own," the New Zealander of the Year Awards website stated.While not commenting specifically on Mr Joyce, a statement from the organisers of the honours gave some insight into why they believed people like Mr Joyce have featured.
"It's also not unusual for people of the moment to attract significant support during the public nominations period," awards manager Glyn Taylor said.
"We're looking forward to seeing the expected upswing in nominations in these final weeks.
"The independent judging panel will then consider each nomination on how a particular individual has contributed to making New Zealand a better place to live."
Mr Joyce was pipped at the post by the former co-leader of the New Zealand Green Party, Metiria Turei, who received the most nominations.
There have been 371 nominations received for next year's honours so far.
Cyclopath is filthy that he missed out on a nomination.
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Desmond Connor (43)
Not sure if this has been covered, but why didn't they just flat out copy the Lions? The whole lot of them are not as talented as either the Lions or the AB's but how can you lose out on something as basic as line speed? All you fucking need for that is to be very fit. Remember, we are talking about professionals. These fuckers get paid absolutely ridiculous amounts to be less conditioned at the elite level, fuarrk me.
Regardless, they aren't going anywhere with Foley at 10. Simply atrocious. Find ANYONE else. Even Cooper.
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Tony Shaw (54)
That BH is my abiding perspective. Over-blaming today's elite coaches and players for poor skills standards and game outcomes is as misplaced and illusory as blaming climate change solely on Co2 emitters installed within the last 6 months.
This sad, almost tragic, condition of Australian rugby today was not co-incidential or unavoidable.
In terms of the quality of leadership we have ruling over the code of rugby today, we never really left the amateur era behind; rather what principally occurred is that the elite levels of Australian rugby simply all gained a massive increase in personal income.
In parallel, many of the 'golden threads' that provided great quality in the immediate pre-professional era here were damaged or destroyed by what turned out to be the superficial 'gains' of professionalism, gains that had no real depth or substance to them.
What we are seeing today in the Wallabies, and within most tracts of the code in this country, is the slow-burn, compounding consequences of gross institutional failure to strategically nurture and build the enduring health of the whole Australian rugby code up and down all its intersecting vertical layers, from grassroots to elite coaching, and the many accompanying components.
This failure commenced with, and is determined by, a deeply entrenched ARU board culture and calibre of personnel that was (and is still today) very poorly qualified to properly lead the holistic oversight of a major sporting code.
With time, if not substantively corrected, the negative consequences of poor leadership at the very top of any enterprise - especially a sporting code where results are so brutally obvious - become exponential not linear; every deficient component gradually aggravates the deficiencies of every other inter-connecting component.
Thus the decline becomes simultaneously more comprehensive and more rapid in nature.
Filthy az.
Dan54
David Wilson (68)
That's 'Fulthy Ez', geez no wonder you missed nomination!
Micheal
Alan Cameron (40)
Bernard Foley vs. England in the 2015 RWC doesn't come to mind? One of the most dominant individual performances I've seen at the international level
That's why he's now a New Zealander. Fulthy Ez would be how an Australian would type a New Zealander pronouncing it.
A New Zealander typing how they think they pronounce it is with the correct spelling.
This guy gets it!
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