Wallabies v All Blacks Saturday 26th August at Forsyth Barr Stadium, Dunedin

[Slim 293]

While I'm sure this first comment is going to continue further redundant back and forth for several more pages............

Quade hasn't show the form since 2013 to be taking Foley's spot.........

Maybe he should be in the squad, but there's no way he should be in the starting team.

Kerevi won't make the squad again until he sorts out his defensive issues.

And you'd be an idiot to bench Beale on recent form.

 

[jimmydubs]

I actually think that grey is a good coach, particularly with tackling technique, and that possibly he was blinkered with so much self belief in his own system that he over complicated the issue.

So he got a tap on the shoulder last week..

You do realise they let in 5 tries still? And as a Tahs fan I'm guessing you watched how many points were put on the Tahs by pretty well everyone, all season?
Good coach my xxxx

 

[Slim 293]

The Wallabies still like to give up points directly after scoring themselves.........

They still suck at restarts.

 

[KOB1987]

You do realise they let in 5 tries still? And as a Tahs fan I'm guessing you watched how many points were put on the Tahs by pretty well everyone, all season?
Good coach my xxxx

Clearly you didn't read past the first 9 words of my post, but whatever.

 

[jimmydubs]

Clearly you didn't read past the first 9 words of my post, but whatever.

I did.
I'm sorry grey is a great coach and after 20 shitty defensive performances by his sides. His side produced an average defence performance because he pulled his head out his are and is a good coach?

He may become a good coach but should learn his trade with a club side, not try work out how to coach Defence with the national side.

 

[KOB1987]

Oh FFS. He's been coaching at the Tahs for a while now in case you've had your head in the sand, including when they won in 2014. Before that he was at the Rebels for a few years.

While it worked in 2014 his defensive structures have been getting progressively worse and to counter that he's tried to over complicate things. That was the point I was making.

Yeah we let in 5 tries last night but you can't say our more simple defensive structures weren't more effective in general. I missed the bit where I said that grey was responsible for that.

 

[Gnostic]

To be fair, I've always though a lot of Kiwis accept that Hansen can act like a bit of an arse. But if Cheika had Hansen's record I reckon most of us would be happy enough to laugh off most of his behaviour.

No there is something to be said with carrying yourself with a bit of dignity and respect when in a position of authority. A bit hard to command respect from anybody outside the immediate inner circle (and that gets eroded as well) when you publicly act like a dick.

 

[Gnostic]

WE agree on most things, but I've never bought the view that Owen is the best ref in the world. He's a good referee, but a show pony. He likes to referee the All Blacks and they like him with the whistle for fairly obvious reasons. Nothing sinister or improper in it, it's just the way it is. It's a huge advantage for the ABs when he has the game.



I agree re Cheika. It's one thing people on an internet site complaining about the referee, but as the national coach it's something he should avoid at all times.

IMO Owens is the best because he is very consistent in a game and over games, and he communicates very well. I also like the disdain and contempt he has expressed to a few players who take dives, nothing like bringing them up short with a bit of embarrassment.

Barnes is good, but can have quite a few shockers here and there and has some terrible positioning at times getting himself in the way.

Some others up and coming but for me the bench mark is Owens. I understand why some don't like his style, and certainly the Wallabies don't.

 

[ShtinaTina]

Chekia is an absolute embarrassment the way he can't control his emotions

Really? I like it, shows he cares. I don't think he should have a mic on him but at least he's passionate.

 

[Gnostic]

Oh FFS. He's been coaching at the Tahs for a while now in case you've had your head in the sand, including when they won in 2014. Before that he was at the Rebels for a few years.



While it worked in 2014 his defensive structures have been getting progressively worse and to counter that he's tried to over complicate things. That was the point I was making.



Yeah we let in 5 tries last night but you can't say our more simple defensive structures weren't more effective in general. I missed the bit where I said that grey was responsible for that.

I don't think it is possible for a test side to miss over 35 tackles and win. simple. Yes the simplified system appeared to work much better, but the Wallabies actually fired up. They also didn't seem to be chopping and changing all over the place and the "shooters" weren't leaving massive holes in the line. Still 35 tackles is not good defence.

 

[Mr Doug]

Go on Mr Doug. Give Izzy one compliment. You can do it

He sends a lot of messages to his maker during a game, is that a compliment? My advice to Folau would be "more playing, less praying".

 

[KAOPointman]

Have you ever even played rugby? Using the 1st 5's face to help you get up from a fucken ruck is Rugby 101!

Well let's just hope his "alleged" dirty play doesn't earn him a life long of booing crowds.......I swear I've seen that before! :|

 

[KOB1987]

I don't think it is possible for a test side to miss over 35 tackles and win. simple. Yes the simplified system appeared to work much better, but the Wallabies actually fired up. They also didn't seem to be chopping and changing all over the place and the "shooters" weren't leaving massive holes in the line. Still 35 tackles is not good defence.

I don't disagree with that and with all the stats mostly fairly significantly in the favour of the ABs it's actually quite bizarre that it was 5 tries each. I haven't watched a replay yet, but based on my recollection of the game and reading into the stats it would seem that we missed a lot of first tackles but were supported well either by the next tackler or the cover defence, or both. Which reconciles with your second last sentence.

 

[KAOPointman]

KAOP, you can scream it till you go blue in the face but Quade just isn't going to be picked ahead of Foley.

NO KIDDING SHERLOCK.....no one is (smacks forehead lol)

 

[Dismal Pillock]

had to GIF up this part, Hansen, down 17-7, no fucks given.....

 

[TSR]

had to GIF up this part, Hansen, down 17-7, no fucks given...

You think he's stoned?

 

[Mr Doug]

How many goal-kicking fullbacks compared to other positions have we had in the last 40 years?

Without going back very far, pfitzy, you may remember these test players: Joe Roff (20 conv; 18 penalties); Matt Burke (104, 174), Matt Rogers (27, 13); James O'connor [Yes he played at # 15], (39, 25); Julian Huxley (3, 2); Cameron Shepherd (2, 0); Stirling Mortlock (61, 74). Do you wish me to go back further, or will you accept that a goal-kicking fullback would be an asset to the current Wallabies squad?!

 

[KAOPointman]

I often see Quade shovel proverbial shit to the guy next to him who gets clobbered when he should have just tucked his head and run for a couple metres. Foley often does this. He's a bit soft, which is hard to say about anyone who plays professional rugby, but there's some truth there. I've seen a lot of QC (Quade Cooper) leading to going backwards. Don't hate the guy, he's a good player, but I think that's the general sort of feeling about him and that's not leadership material.

Barely worth a reply.....every 10 in the game with a pack under pressure ends up going backwards or handing the hospital pass to the forwards beside him who havnt been aiming up and getting over the ad line. Quades no exception.
It's nice that you "often" see this.......lol omg!
His stats show, that even with far less ball, and injured...he actually beats the same players as Foley. Actually...you obviously haven't read this thread, because it's full of comparative stats that show how wrong people are who harbour lazy opinions of players without having all the details! For eg....Folou,Hodge and Quades stats are perfectly fine compared too players most would expect to be dominating the stats boards.....like the Barret bros, Janties, Havilli and even Cruden!
Now I get how punters miss this stuff, as they're view becomes heavily biased by commentators and media articles. But the Coaches wouldn't miss a thing.

 

[Pfitzy]

Hansen looks like he's been forced to front up at his least favourite relative's wedding. Every time.

Anyway, its different personalities.

Maybe Kiwis like to think they're all this stolid, unruffled bunch of stony-faced demigods.

Yet, if you bring up rugby in front of a lot of AB fans over here, they'll have their finger in your face and start hysterical abuse before you finish your first sentence.

 

[Pfitzy]

Without going back very far, pfitzy, you may remember these test players: Joe Roff (20 conv; 18 penalties); Matt Burke (104, 174), Matt Rogers (27, 13); James O'connor [Yes he played at # 15], (39, 25); Julian Huxley (3, 2); Cameron Shepherd (2, 0); Stirling Mortlock (61, 74). Do you wish me to go back further, or will you accept that a goal-kicking fullback would be an asset to the current Wallabies squad?!

Of course its an asset. But the OP was making out like it was a requirement.

Note: test fullback was not the primary position for Roff, O'Connor, or Mortlock. Scratch them from your list.

How many other players during the last two decades were also goal kickers?