Wallabies team for next week?

[TOCC]

If shepherd is fit, then he should be considered for a starting spot, turner at 13 is a interesting proposition

9 Genia
10 Giteau
11 Mitchell
12 Fainga'a
13 Turner
14 Shepherd
15 AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)

McCabe should be in then squad, nice straight hard running

 

[Scarfman]

Turner at 13 and AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) at 15. Now I have officially heard everything.

Some of you guys have become as obsessed as Deans with playing everyone in the backline out of position.

 

[DPK]

Turner at 13 and AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) at 15. Now I have officially heard everything.

Some of you guys have become as obsessed as Deans with playing everyone in the backline out of position.

To be fair, the only reason theyre suggesting Turner at 13 is because he's playing there with a little success at Eastwood.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

OK, my team:

1, Robinson
2, Moore
3, Slipper
4, Simmons
5, Sharpe
6, Hodgson
7, Pocock
8, Elsom
9, Genia
10, Barnes
11, Mitchell (much as I don't want to play him)
12, Giteau
13, Ashley-Cooper
14, Shepherd
15, O'Connor

 

[Brumbies Guy]

1. Robinson
2. Moore
3. Ma'afu
4. Simmons
5. Sharpe
6. Elsom
7. Pocock
8. Brown

9. Genia
10. Giteau
11. Mitchell
12. Barnes
13. Ashley Cooper
14. O'Connor
15. Beale

Some of the teams named are starting to change more than the NSW origin team; it's easily said but it's a very hard thing playing with a new team and new combinations week after week

 

[Blue]

How can you seriously keep playing Brown?

 

[Joe Blow]

Turner at 13 and AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) at 15. Now I have officially heard everything.

Some of you guys have become as obsessed as Deans with playing everyone in the backline out of position.

AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) was probably always our best 13 and playing him there may improve our backline play.
Horne was looking OK but we need a dominate ball runner who can give us some muscle up the middle a la Morty and Ioane.
I have an issue with playing either JOC (James O'Connor) or Beale on the wing as that is out of position for them.
Shep. has been there before, a long time ago I know, but he is an out and out winger at the top level.

Turner is not going to get a look in this week it seems and hopefully we will have Hynes and Cooper back for our trip to SA.

 

[TheRiddler]

To be fair, the only reason theyre suggesting Turner at 13 is because he's playing there with a little success at Eastwood.

And as I mentioned elsewhere, he's been playing so well in the centres that he played on the wing for the Woodies on Sunday.

 

[Gnostic]

AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) was probably always our best 13 and playing him there may improve our backline play.
Horne was looking OK but we need a dominate ball runner who can give us some muscle up the middle a la Morty and Ioane.
I have an issue with playing either JOC (James O'Connor) or Beale on the wing as that is out of position for them.
Shep. has been there before, a long time ago I know, but he is an out and out winger at the top level.

Turner is not going to get a look in this week it seems and hopefully we will have Hynes and Cooper back for our trip to SA.

Horne is a top class 13. Even Mortlock, Ioane, Hebert would have struggle with the amount and quality of ball given to him.

JOC (James O'Connor) is not a winger. Two weeks at wing and two blown tries by his poor play. Remember Elsom basically had little option but to kick against SA because JOC (James O'Connor) failed to give him an option. I would be happier with Beale at 15 as well.

 

[DPK]

And as I mentioned elsewhere, he's been playing so well in the centres that he played on the wing for the Woodies on Sunday.

*sigh* The only reason they're suggesting Turner at 13 is because he HAS played there with a little success at Eastwood.

AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) is such a good centre that he's playing fullback!

 

[fatprop]

Hopefully AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) will get some ball at 13, because Horne certainly didn't. The reality is that Aus doesn't go wide on early phases to attack on the outside 13 channel.

On Saturday it was runners either side of the 10/12 channel.

 

[Scotty]

Horne is a top class 13. Even Mortlock, Ioane, Hebert would have struggle with the amount and quality of ball given to him.

JOC (James O'Connor) is not a winger. Two weeks at wing and two blown tries by his poor play. Remember Elsom basically had little option but to kick against SA because JOC (James O'Connor) failed to give him an option. I would be happier with Beale at 15 as well.

Horne has not proven himself as a top class 13 just yet. He certainly shouldn't be mentioned next to the likes of Mortlock or Herbert.

 

[Muttonbird]

You can't piss around with the 13 jersey. Specialists only please.

RWC1999 semi - Hart played Cullen at 13 + Frogs on Coke = AB's go home.
RWC2003 semi - Mitchell played McDonald at 13 + "Four-more-years" = AB's go home.
RWC2007 quarter - Henry played Muliaina at 13 + Wayne Barnes = AB's go home.

Clearly, 15's don't go good at 13.

 

[farva]

Horne is a top class 13. Even Mortlock, Ioane, Hebert would have struggle with the amount and quality of ball given to him.

JOC (James O'Connor) is not a winger. Two weeks at wing and two blown tries by his poor play. Remember Elsom basically had little option but to kick against SA because JOC (James O'Connor) failed to give him an option. I would be happier with Beale at 15 as well.

OConnor was on his right shoulder the whole time yelling "give it to me." Elsom decided to have a go and ran sideways into him, and then had to kick because there was no space left.
What was anyone supposed to do? Elsom didnt give it at the right moment, as he felt that he could beat the player. He couldnt (no issue there really, and its good to see Elsom had the confidence) and the option to pass went by. If he had passed earlier, then it might have opened up for OConnor.

 

[Scarfman]

I have a bug up my arse about AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) at 13 because I am a retired 13. I wasn't very good, but I loved that position. I could also play as a non-passing 12, or as a pop-gun kicking 15, or as a wing embarrassed for speed. But it's a special spot out there in 13. You can see the whole game, you can see moves unfold, you get some nice tricky decisions to make. No wonder so many captains are 13s (Morty, O'Gara, Tana, + Sir Clive).

I just see AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) developing into the role beautifully. On form, he should be the first picked back, and build the backline around him. He's not a 15. Never will be. We need a real fullback, like Hynes or Turner. I don't believe that Beale or JOC (James O'Connor) are fullbacks either. Fullback isn't a position for jinking little runs. It's for long, loping injections. It's for a commanding presence.

10. Cooper
13. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)
15. Hynes / Turner / Shepherd

When fit, Mitchell and Ioane pick themselves as wings, but you've got spare fullbacks to slot in if required.

12 is the hardest, and I think you've got to go with Giteau but keep giving Ant Fanger time out there and hope that he develops.

OK - I've had my rant and will rant no more.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

You can't piss around with the 13 jersey. Specialists only please.

RWC1999 semi - Hart played Cullen at 13 + Frogs on Coke = AB's go home.
RWC2003 semi - Mitchell played McDonald at 13 + "Four-more-years" = AB's go home.
RWC2007 quarter - Henry played Muliaina at 13 + Wayne Barnes = AB's go home.

Clearly, 15's don't go good at 13.

Absolutely true, but in the case of AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper), he's a centre who has been played at fullback and it's really only because Shep has spent so long out of the top flight. He has the potential to be *very* good in that position and in a way, I hope that Horne stays injured long enough for us to get a decent look at AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) in that position. I know that doesn't sound nice and it isn't meant in that way, but I've had a long held belief that AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) is the best OC we have in this country (if we assume that Morts is done) and I look forward to seeing him have a decent crack at it.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

I have a bug up my arse about AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) at 13 because I am a retired 13. I wasn't very good, but I loved that position. I could also play as a non-passing 12, or as a pop-gun kicking 15, or as a wing embarrassed for speed. But it's a special spot out there in 13. You can see the whole game, you can see moves unfold, you get some nice tricky decisions to make. No wonder so many captains are 13s (Morty, O'Gara, Tana, + Sir Clive).

I just see AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) developing into the role beautifully. On form, he should be the first picked back, and build the backline around him. He's not a 15. Never will be. We need a real fullback, like Hynes or Turner. I don't believe that Beale or JOC (James O'Connor) are fullbacks either. Fullback isn't a position for jinking little runs. It's for long, loping injections. It's for a commanding presence.

10. Cooper
13. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)
15. Hynes / Turner / Shepherd

When fit, Mitchell and Ioane pick themselves as wings, but you've got spare fullbacks to slot in if required.

12 is the hardest, and I think you've got to go with Giteau but keep giving Ant Fanger time out there and hope that he develops.

OK - I've had my rant and will rant no more.

And Slacky, one of our best ever.

 

[cyclopath]

I must say I am struggling to see what Turner has done to deserve exile? If we look at this year he scored some good tries, defended very well, was very good under high ball (and kick off-ball!!!!!) and doesn't seem to have brain flatulence. Oh, and he is fit! I can't believe he is not in the mix for the 22.
I realise we have bigger problems, but this struck me as very odd.
13 AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper), Turner and Mitchell on the wings, Shepherd at 15, JOC (James O'Connor) bench.

I have a bug up my arse about AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) at 13 because I am a retired 13. I wasn't very good, but I loved that position. I could also play as a non-passing 12, or as a pop-gun kicking 15, or as a wing embarrassed for speed. But it's a special spot out there in 13. You can see the whole game, you can see moves unfold, you get some nice tricky decisions to make. No wonder so many captains are 13s (Morty, O'Gara, Tana, + Sir Clive).

I just see AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) developing into the role beautifully. On form, he should be the first picked back, and build the backline around him. He's not a 15. Never will be. We need a real fullback, like Hynes or Turner. I don't believe that Beale or JOC (James O'Connor) are fullbacks either. Fullback isn't a position for jinking little runs. It's for long, loping injections. It's for a commanding presence.

10. Cooper
13. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)
15. Hynes / Turner / Shepherd

When fit, Mitchell and Ioane pick themselves as wings, but you've got spare fullbacks to slot in if required.

12 is the hardest, and I think you've got to go with Giteau but keep giving Ant Fanger time out there and hope that he develops.

OK - I've had my rant and will rant no more.

I am with you Scarfmeister! And you were a great 13 back in the day!!

 

[Scott Allen]

JOC (James O'Connor) is not a winger. Two weeks at wing and two blown tries by his poor play.

The problem with the blown try against SA was more Rocky than O'Connor. In the image below #1 is a prop but he was running at the same speed as Elsom so if O'Connor had gone inside there's a good chance he'd be in position to tackle him as he received the ball. #3 is Habana so going inside would have given him a better chance of getting to O'Connor. #4 is Fourie coming in cover and again going inside makes it easier for him to get to O'Connor. The space that existed was straight down the touch line. Rocky needed to angle in about 2 metres to take Kirschner at #2 inside and then feed O'Connor running straight down the line. Even if that had happened would O'Connor have had the pace to get to the corner before Fourie arrived? Wouldn't it have been nice to find out!

The blown try against NZ was O'Connor's problem.

 

[Scotty]

Elsom didn't even look like he wanted to pass that ball. If he had gone a little inside, he had two options - 1. pop pass to JOC (James O'Connor) on his outside. or 2. longer inside pass to (is it Pocock). Either option would have meant 3 wallabies vs 1 south african and a likely try (obviously we should also count Habana being quick enough to catch someone though.

If he is going to play wider (which I think he should on occasion) he is going to have to work on this passing and setting up skills so that we can finish off opportunities.