Gnostic
Mark Ella (57)
The statement was "I think everyone is behind a fit Rocky." Obviously it is not correct. The point is moot in any event as we have not seen a "FIT" Rocky since his return to Oz.
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The statement was "I think everyone is behind a fit Rocky." Obviously it is not correct. The point is moot in any event as we have not seen a "FIT" Rocky since his return to Oz.
The_Brown_Hornet
John Eales (66)
So he wasn't fit and firing on the EOYT in 2010, where he played 400 minutes of test footy in five weeks and was outstanding in the bulk of them?
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John Thornett (49)
Mate on his day he can be the best 6 in the world. He is a quality player and if he can stay fit I would definatly have him the starting 6 and captain. It's the WC, you pick the best players.
If he can't prove his fitness, well that's another story....
Gnostic
Mark Ella (57)
Bob Dwyer picked the best players in 1995, a pity that so many of the starting 15 were carrying injuries (some of them more than niggly).
As for the continued assertion that he was in hot form in 2010, I still have those games on the HDD and he was average. His best game was against a French side who couldn't have folded any quicker or more thoroughly.
As for the continued assertion that he was in hot form in 2010, I still have those games on the HDD and he was average. His best game was against a French side who couldn't have folded any quicker or more thoroughly.
tigerland12
John Thornett (49)
Well who are your alternatives that would do an equal or better job then Rocky? I can't name any
The_Brown_Hornet
John Eales (66)
So I guess the ratings he was given in the last 6 or 7 tests of the year were completely wrong then...
http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/forum/showwiki/Rocky+Elsom
http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/forum/showwiki/Rocky+Elsom
Gnostic
Mark Ella (57)
As far as I'm concerned absolutely and I have made that clear.
I would name any of the players who have played 6 this year as have PERFORMED better that Elsom.
The_Brown_Hornet
John Eales (66)
So let's say he's fit, uninjured and ready to go come the beginning of the RWC, do you not play him as starting 6? I would play him with few reservations, so long as he'd had a run at least at club level. I will make the assumption that he won't be right for the start of the 3N, but may be right for the latter part, where he would at least get a run off the bench.
The available alternatives would be Dennis, Mowen, Samo, Higgers, Saffy and Hodgson. In my opinion, none of those guys is a better player than a fit Elsom and I rate every last one of them.
The available alternatives would be Dennis, Mowen, Samo, Higgers, Saffy and Hodgson. In my opinion, none of those guys is a better player than a fit Elsom and I rate every last one of them.
No, just any of the G&GR punters that rated him, apparently...
TSR
Andrew Slack (58)
I would prefer he wasn't captain, but if he was fit I would definitely have him in the starting side (and it seems Deans has been pretty clear that he will be captain if available).
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I heard he was likely going to be fit fir the Samoa game - is that right? Plenty if time if so.
Swarley
Bob Loudon (25)
I think either Sharpe, Horwill or Genia should be the skipper. They're all players who lift with the captaincy and they all have cemented positions in the starting XV. I think Genia hasn't been taking on the line as much as he was last year, and I think the loss of the captaincy has a lot to do with that. Take the leadership of Rocky and allow him to focus on his natural, aggressive game.
That being said, methinks that Rocky might have been guaranteed the captaincy as a way to lure him back from Leinster when he hit the famous purple-patch that had everyone talking about him.
That being said, methinks that Rocky might have been guaranteed the captaincy as a way to lure him back from Leinster when he hit the famous purple-patch that had everyone talking about him.
jay-c
Ron Walden (29)
qwerty i think ur pretty spot on, one things bothering me thou
can u pls explain your reasoning for horne being number one 13
note: elsoms been out all year too but its his experience at test level which puts him back into consideration for me... horne was invisible in his couple of test appearances and hes been injured most of the last 2 years anyway?
can u pls explain your reasoning for horne being number one 13
note: elsoms been out all year too but its his experience at test level which puts him back into consideration for me... horne was invisible in his couple of test appearances and hes been injured most of the last 2 years anyway?
jay-c
Ron Walden (29)
wow id like someone to clear this up once and for all
i shudder to think the aru may have found itself at a time and a place where the captaincy of the australian team was promised and not earnt
qwerty51
Stirling Mortlock (74)
Not really an issue since he probably won't be playing this year but I find he is the better defender than AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper). Has the ability to make a shitload of dominant tackles that sit an opponent of their ass - a pretty important and often neglected ability, most of our current backline players aren't capable of dominant hits and they're especially important at 13.
jay-c
Ron Walden (29)
i dont know how his injury affected him but im sure he was one of the faster backs in the country a couple of years ago
as i remember he was rated fasted in the nsw squad sometime (apparently faster than turn and beale- mind you this was when beale was fat)
jay-c
Ron Walden (29)
i rate him highly but i dont know how he could possibly be in contention... i mean if he had the test runs on the board that would work in his favour... but dominating s14 for 10 games in the last 3 seasons doesnt quite cut it for me...
potential is a long way from proven performance>
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