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Chilla Wilson (44)
Really? I think well above 60% would be locked in atm.
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David Codey (61)
I don't think he's looking for a guarantee.
More like, are you going to consider me for selection like the current coach, or not consider me for selection like the previous coach.
Of course there would also be differences in the offer from RA with input from the coach as well, if one was appointed. This is the uncertainty
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David Wilson (68)
I’d suggest we may have EJ (Eddie Jones) to blame for that.
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David Codey (61)
I really don't understand these kind of comments. He's taken a 1 year contract in Japan, and will miss zero test macthes if selected by the coaches.
Isn't he backing himself to keep getting selected for the Wallabies, and to come back for the World Cup?
Isn't he backing himself to keep getting selected for the Wallabies, and to come back for the World Cup?
Also, I don't really understand the logic of holding it against him or it being a sign of insecurity. If you're choosing between two options and the one which pays you significantly less also comes with substantially more uncertainty then why would you choose that option?
It's perfectly reasonable in my view to put some weight towards that uncertainty. If I'm going to opt for the substantially less lucrative role then I want as much clarity over what that looks like as possible.
It's perfectly reasonable in my view to put some weight towards that uncertainty. If I'm going to opt for the substantially less lucrative role then I want as much clarity over what that looks like as possible.
I understand going to Japan. He’s get more money than what RA could give him. That makes complete sense. But he’s making it sound like he wouldn’t have a shot without Schmidt. I think that’s an odd thing to say. And if you’re saying that publicly, the message for me is that you’re not competitive and confident to back your skillset to be selected. It’s not a mindset of a winner in my books. He shouldn’t have a mortgage on the no. 10 atm he hasn’t done enough. Look I know I’m probably reading too much into a couple of lines of what he said. But to me, whilst they were refreshingly honest they also revealed a player not completely prepared to prove to the next coach that they are absolutely the best person to direct the backline. And I don’t reckon the next coach is going to consider him as a OS player after that comment.
I wish him the best and hope he comes back a better player.
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Peter Johnson (47)
It is more just about the experience he has had. One coach (Rennie) was hot and cold on him, another (Jones) completely cold with the third (Schmidt) picking him regularly. He knows how fickle it is and if the incoming coach doesn't rate him then he doesn't want to give up a big slice of cheddar just to play for the Brums
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Steve Williams (59)
I understand no player is given or should expect a guarantee, and that coaches can’t be influenced by sentiment, but his treatment by Rennie at first then by Jones does seem to have been pretty brutal. Personally I don’t blame him for being a bit jaded with the prospect of going through it again.
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Phil Waugh (73)
Want player? pay money. can't pay money? no player.
It's weird when people try to suggest players shouldn't pursue the maximum amount of compensation they can for their work given that concept is basically the foundation of modern western civilisation.
I'm always mildly surprised when players actually do forgo hundreds of thousands of dollars for the chance to play for the Wallabies. Wallabies aren't even good.
It's weird when people try to suggest players shouldn't pursue the maximum amount of compensation they can for their work given that concept is basically the foundation of modern western civilisation.
I'm always mildly surprised when players actually do forgo hundreds of thousands of dollars for the chance to play for the Wallabies. Wallabies aren't even good.
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Peter Fenwicke (45)
Would be far more fulfilling to show your grandkids your Wallabies memorabilia then to show them a yen note
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Chilla Wilson (44)
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Peter Sullivan (51)
I think you're being considerably unfair to Noah about this being a decent reason.
There's a saying going around; "People Don’t Leave Bad Jobs, They Leave Bad Bosses" which I would imagine resonates with Noah. I'm not saying Joe and Co are bad "bosses" or coaches, but the saying demonstrates the impact your boss has on whether you're happy with your job.
Extending that to Noah's situation, I can imagine the unknown and length of unknown plays a bit on your mind on whether you want to stay around. It's certainly not much asking for wanting clarity on what your career may look like and who is going to have a big say in shaping that career.
If you've ever had a good boss leaves, it really feels like a gut punch, all the momentum and energy the team may have had gets sucked out of the environment and you question whether you should stick around.
Hang on. Who’s to say the next boss in charge won’t be as good or better for Noah? We think it’s going to be Les right? I think he’s going to be pretty fair and balanced to all wallabies players. Joe will still likely be involved in a consultation role anyways. He’s going mainly for the money which he’s entitled to, but he made it sound like he’s playing for Joe rather than playing for his country more. *I’m not suggesting he doesn’t want to play of his country.
Playing test footy is the pinnacle. I personally think the wallabies need players willing to push themselves and others at the risk that they may miss out on selection. I laud what McReight has done and he our best 7 atm. But if it’s better for the wallabies that Tizzano is picked due to form or injury then so be it.
Anyways, I think Noah won’t really get to the world quality standard, I reckon Lynagh already does what he does with a bigger boot that’s more suited to test rugby and he’s only 21. He’ll get better.
No one. When you don't know who that person is though and you need to make a decision it's going to have an impact on that decision.
When the other option comes with a lot more money you're going to want to know as much info as possible about the likely outcome if you do opt for the path that involves a lot less money.
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George Smith (75)
How much Wallabies' memorabilia can you lay down for a mortgage these days?
I'm not sure why you'd hang onto a Yen note to show your grandkids...
Just quietly, after 20-30 tests I reckon Noah Lolesio has a fair bit of Wallabies memorabilia.
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Steve Williams (59)
I’m guessing a number of reasons -
- despite your thoughts on the Wallabies for a lot of these players it’s a life long dream
- they are competitive guys and selection provides validation
- people stay in jobs all the time for less money. It’s not often this significant, but most of these guys are well paid compared to the rest of population. Yes, their career has a more limited time frame but they build networks and connections that give them employment opportunities beyond their playing careers. It’s not like they finish playing and are unemployable. Most still set themselves up very well
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Peter Fenwicke (45)
Not being able to service a mortgage while earning $450k? I'm sure Noah would have survived on that
I just don't think it's weird at all when people prioritize things like family and lifestyle over money. Especially when you will be earning good money regardless