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Wallabies 2024

Strewthcobber

Strewthcobber

Simon Poidevin (60)
Tomikin said:
Yeah, I think Dangunu if he can get fit. But I guess who's playing on the wing probably isn't the biggest question for the team, they will all do a job if the rest of the team can function correctly.
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I reckon it's a pretty underrated position, especially in this defensive system.

Look how much Kellaway struggled against the Scots, and what an impact that had.

We need a winger who can be safe under the high ball, and defend against big ball runners in the inner d-line. This player will be doing much more of that than running in tries. There aren't many of them.
 
Derpus

Derpus

Nathan Sharpe (72)
Strewthcobber said:
I reckon it's a pretty underrated position, especially in this defensive system.

Look how much Kellaway struggled against the Scots, and what an impact that had.

We need a winger who can be safe under the high ball, and defend against big ball runners in the inner d-line. This player will be doing much more of that than running in tries. There aren't many of them.
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Hence my suggestion of JAS.

We seem keen to use his aerial ability in offence but not defence. He's also strong as fuck (though questionable technique).
 
stillmissit

stillmissit

Peter Johnson (47)
Namerican said:
Thanks bud. It's seriously sucked, but I did enjoy all my years playing rugby. I'm playing life on ultra hard mode, but these things happen for all sorts of reasons.

Thankfully my memory/mind are pretty much fine, but my ability to do anything useful is probably only 2 out of 3 on average. Due to horrible dizziness/vestibular issues that come and go.

Looking at friends who played rugby for 20-30 years it doesn't look good. Lots of suicide, alcoholism etc.
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It must be getting much worse. I recently caught up with nearly all of the guys I first played with 50+ years ago and there are structural issues but nothing as bad as you are suggesting. A couple are 80 but there are only a few of the older guys I played with who have died. I got accidentally kicked in the head and went blind for a while and I get migraines without the headaches and that's about it.
 
LeCheese

LeCheese

Greg Davis (50)
stillmissit said:
It must be getting much worse. I recently caught up with nearly all of the guys I first played with 50+ years ago and there are structural issues but nothing as bad as you are suggesting. A couple are 80 but there are only a few of the older guys I played with who have died. I got accidentally kicked in the head and went blind for a while and I get migraines without the headaches and that's about it.
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It's pretty well accepted that, on average, the overall physicality has substantially increased in both the professional and amateur game over the decades, isn't it?
 
JRugby2

JRugby2

Bob Loudon (25)
LeCheese said:
It's pretty well accepted that, on average, the overall physicality has substantially increased in both the professional and amateur game over the decades, isn't it?
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Hence the efforts to police safer practices in contact areas. It's not farcical - doing nothing and accepting the outcomes for either the players, or accepting the death of the game - would be.

Early '10s we saw lifting tackles cracked down on and now they rarely happen.
 
Derpus

Derpus

Nathan Sharpe (72)
JRugby2 said:
Hence the efforts to police safer practices in contact areas. It's not farcical - doing nothing and accepting the outcomes for either the players, or accepting the death of the game - would be.

Early '10s we saw lifting tackles cracked down on and now they rarely happen.
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Attempting to make it safer is not farcical but the claim that we are making it safer seems very much like it could be.
 
LeCheese

LeCheese

Greg Davis (50)
JRugby2 said:
Hence the efforts to police safer practices in contact areas. It's not farcical - doing nothing and accepting the outcomes for either the players, or accepting the death of the game - would be.

Early '10s we saw lifting tackles cracked down on and now they rarely happen.
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I think yourself and @Namerican are arguing about two separate points here tbh. Is it a good thing that the high-risk, high-impact, low frequency events (e.g., dangerous tackles) are being placed under increased scrutiny? Absolutely.

But to Namerican's point, it isn't these incidents that are (believed to be) the biggest driver of brain injuries, but rather the lower-force, higher frequency events which are basically impossible to remove without a complete transformation of the game - which is why claims that the reduction of the above types of incidents are removing or substantially limiting the risk of brain injury could be seen as misleading at best.
 
JRugby2

JRugby2

Bob Loudon (25)
LeCheese said:
I think yourself and @Namerican are arguing about two separate points here tbh. Is it a good thing that the high-risk, high-impact, low frequency events (e.g., dangerous tackles) are being placed under increased scrutiny? Absolutely.

But to Namerican's point, it isn't these incidents that are (believed to be) the biggest driver of brain injuries, but rather the lower-force, higher frequency events which are basically impossible to remove without a complete transformation of the game - which is why claims that the reduction of the above types of incidents are removing or substantially limiting the risk of brain injury could be seen as misleading at best.
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Maybe - but Namerican specifically called out the Kerevi sanctions.
 
stillmissit

stillmissit

Peter Johnson (47)
LeCheese said:
It's pretty well accepted that, on average, the overall physicality has substantially increased in both the professional and amateur game over the decades, isn't it?
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Very true, when you have guys my size playing in the backs that is a lot of momentum. I watch with a mate of mine who played League and Subbie Union and sometimes we wince at some of the hits.
 
stillmissit

stillmissit

Peter Johnson (47)
LeCheese said:
I think yourself and @Namerican are arguing about two separate points here tbh. Is it a good thing that the high-risk, high-impact, low frequency events (e.g., dangerous tackles) are being placed under increased scrutiny? Absolutely.

But to Namerican's point, it isn't these incidents that are (believed to be) the biggest driver of brain injuries, but rather the lower-force, higher frequency events which are basically impossible to remove without a complete transformation of the game - which is why claims that the reduction of the above types of incidents are removing or substantially limiting the risk of brain injury could be seen as misleading at best.
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In which case we are most probably in the last decade of Union. Getting rid of lower force higher frequency events will mean no parent will allow a child to play this game. In my time there were many of those incidents in every game (including the occasion brawl) but it is not showing up from my era.
 
Derpus

Derpus

Nathan Sharpe (72)
stillmissit said:
In which case we are most probably in the last decade of Union. Getting rid of lower force higher frequency events will mean no parent will allow a child to play this game. In my time there were many of those incidents (including the occasion brawl) in every game but it is not showing up from my era.
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Probably not. Things like UFC exist and are, if anything, only growing. NFL has had even bigger, higher profile issues (including hundreds of millions in damages being award to complainants) and its still going strong.

But we are probably getting way off course here.
 
LeCheese

LeCheese

Greg Davis (50)
stillmissit said:
In which case we are most probably in the last decade of Union. Getting rid of lower force higher frequency events will mean no parent will allow a child to play this game. In my time there were many of those incidents (including the occasion brawl) in every game but it is not showing up from my era.
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My suggestion as to why those of your era may not be exhibiting the same effects - noting of course there are many, many factors at play - is that those more mundane but common impacts have increased in both force and frequency with the greater physicality in games and training (of which I believe there are also more of, as Derp rightfully pointed out).

Mindful of recent discussions of off-topic chat in other threads, possibly any further posts on this should be taken to the concussion thread?
 
stillmissit

stillmissit

Peter Johnson (47)
Braveheart81 said:
Anyone wanting to suffer brain damage should spend a couple of hours reading through the schoolboy rugby forums.
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I wonder if all this is real or some of it was concocted or once suggested it becomes real. I remember the RSI issues and the reports.
Before you all leap to the keyboard.
While various possible causes of the 1980s Australian RSI epidemic have been considered and evaluated2,13,18 no study produced credible scientific evidence that this was an epidemic of organic arm injuries.19−21

 
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