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Peter Johnson (47)
It came from the fact that he has lifted our poor performing forwards in the Brumbies and the Wallabies and he has no great ego to jump over, and prefers action over mouth.
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Peter Johnson (47)
If we were better under Rennie, which we can agree on, then why would you think Eddie is the long term answer?
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Billy Sheehan (19)
Action over mouth is what Australian Rugby needs. But most people don't seem to get that. Most people fool for the politician type coaches who are all talk and full of excuses.
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Peter Johnson (47)
The coach needs to take them back to basics and raise them from there into good players, with a strong foundation on defence, breakdown work, scrum, maul and lineout with speed combined with catching passing and off loading. Then they can become a strong team again.
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David Wilson (68)
I don't mate, but really think things at RA in all levels will remain as they are for forseeable future. Hamish seems to be running things as he wants, and he not going to say he's made a mistake in taking Eddie on, even if he thinks so. Apart from anything RA probably can't afford the payout?
Derpus
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Keeping him certainly won't, not that it matters.
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Ted Thorn (20)
Have to disagree with that. Gordon appeared to have almost no autonomy, any ball he got he just dutifully shovelled to Kerevi or occassionaly someone else to truck up. We never presented him with multiple running options and rarely even played out the back. Watch the Rebels attack from earlier in the year to see an example of an attack with some variation and complexity to it (they just didn't have many weapons).
Once the trucking failed and generally within 3 phases we'd kick a contestable. this worked once vs The All Blacks when Marky n had a blinder and outside of that we looked incredibly pedestrian.
Brumby Runner
Jason Little (69)
Gordon was playing extremely deep in his RC games this year and in the early RWC games when he started. As far as I could see it was completely out of sync with the way he played for the Rebels. I'm sure any number of Rebels fans here could verify that.
I agree the defence has been terrible but largely the attack under Jones has been no better. All of White, Petaia, Donaldson, Fines-Leleiwasa and Gordon were guilty of kicking when running the ball was a better option especially in the attacking half and with so many offending it most likely was following a misguided direction from Jones.
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Jim Clark (26)
Mate, you’re playing for Australia… there SHOULDNT be any average players …
Thats the number 1 problem.
Proud Pig
Tom Lawton (22)
I go to all the Rebels games and one of the reasons Gordon looked so good is that he plays up in the line and probes the defense. For the Wallabies he is always sitting deep and shoveling to a one off runner. He has a tendency to want to run the ball and look for holes to either go through himself or hit a runner in the gap. He has really good vision and reads the game well, Deans would have loved him.
Eddie wants the 10 playing deep and playing a territory game he is not the right player for that style. It is playing directly to his weaknesses not his strengths.
Tomthumb
Peter Fenwicke (45)
They all have egos. He had plenty to say on the Roar podcast
You've got to consider that the pressure and quality of opposition are pretty different between Super Rugby and test rugby.
He's not necessarily standing a lot deeper because he's been told to but because he's not comfortable being closer. The defence is on him faster, he's got less time to react and the pressure and expectations are significantly higher.
There's a reason Super Rugby looks a lot faster and looser than test rugby. Teams score and concede more points. It's also not like it was a dominant strategy at Super Rugby level. Sure he looked good and scored/setup some great tries but his team also didn't win overly often and shipped lots of points.
He's not necessarily standing a lot deeper because he's been told to but because he's not comfortable being closer. The defence is on him faster, he's got less time to react and the pressure and expectations are significantly higher.
There's a reason Super Rugby looks a lot faster and looser than test rugby. Teams score and concede more points. It's also not like it was a dominant strategy at Super Rugby level. Sure he looked good and scored/setup some great tries but his team also didn't win overly often and shipped lots of points.
Tomthumb
Peter Fenwicke (45)
So, a strong foundation of everything in Rugby? Sounds easy
Tomthumb
Peter Fenwicke (45)
Kind of like what Eddie Jones did in Japan and England…
Penriff_boy
Billy Sheehan (19)
Most the good athletes go to League. If they aren't going to solve that problem, then there will always be average players.
Penriff_boy
Billy Sheehan (19)
England had a real good squad. And from memory he spent a few years preparing to beat the All Blacks in the world cup Semi Final, but forgot about the final.
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Peter Johnson (47)
TT agree, it ain't easy if that is what you were infering but it looks to me essential, as many of these players have little idea about defence and tackling, I'd bring in Les Kiss to help out.
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Bill Watson (15)
Gauging opinion - does anyone care that Eddie is rude to journos?
There are plenty of reasons to take issue with him. Personally, I like the guy a lot. However, it's subjective, I won't tell anybody they're wrong for not liking him and I can't be arsed to get into an argument about it. But I can't emphasise how low him being rude to journalists ranks on my list of reasons you might not like him. So many of them talk absolute rubbish, and clearly don't know what they're talking about - that's not all, to be clear - but the vast majority serve up dribble that is lower quality than much you read on this forum.
There are plenty of reasons to take issue with him. Personally, I like the guy a lot. However, it's subjective, I won't tell anybody they're wrong for not liking him and I can't be arsed to get into an argument about it. But I can't emphasise how low him being rude to journalists ranks on my list of reasons you might not like him. So many of them talk absolute rubbish, and clearly don't know what they're talking about - that's not all, to be clear - but the vast majority serve up dribble that is lower quality than much you read on this forum.
Proud Pig
Tom Lawton (22)
Yes, test rugby is faster and tougher than Super rugby against Tier one nations. That is simply not true when playing against the Georgia's of this world and yet he still played deep. Him playing deep is almost certainly an aspect of the game plan and not how he wants to play or plays best.
I would also state that it is far easier to look good playing for a good team than it does playing for a poor team and you seem to be suggesting the opposite.