Wallabies 2023

[gel]

^^^ Feels like it every time I watch one of that guy's videos. Generally solid information with the most annoying delivery in existence.

 

[stillmissit]

There's a rumour McKellar might be off to the Reds - perhaps Dan overheard some horror stories from Scotty Wisemantel about his time with Jones in England. Haha, I get the impression Eddie's history is such that most quality coaches out there wouldn't want to touch the current Wallabies assistant's gig with a barge pole... I do think ARU missed a trick by not waiting until Robertson, if available next year, they could've had Razor responsible for all the man-management and Eddie as Director of Rugby contributing to the wider strategy & bigger picture stuff, dealing with the internal politics and attacking the systematic issues with the game in Aus. Imagine how more effective and practical that type of structure could've been - Eddie's already got a lot on his plate with the head coaching responsibility - in addition to juggling the Wallaroo's role as well...

IF we win or get to the final of WC that could well be on the cards. Eddie would enjoy that role and he could do some very good things with our grassroots or what is left of them..

 

[Qldtragic]

There's a rumour McKellar might be off to the Reds - perhaps Dan overheard some horror stories from Scotty Wisemantel about his time with Jones in England. Haha, I get the impression Eddie's history is such that most quality coaches out there wouldn't want to touch the current Wallabies assistant's gig with a barge pole... I do think ARU missed a trick by not waiting until Robertson, if available next year, they could've had Razor responsible for all the man-management and Eddie as Director of Rugby contributing to the wider strategy & bigger picture stuff, dealing with the internal politics and attacking the systematic issues with the game in Aus. Imagine how more effective and practical that type of structure could've been - Eddie's already got a lot on his plate with the head coaching responsibility - in addition to juggling the Wallaroo's role as well...

Whoever started that rumour needs a kick in the nuts.

 

[TSR]

Whoever started that rumour needs a kick in the nuts.

You can start a rumour by saying ‘there’s a rumour….’, right?

 

[rodha]

IF we win or get to the final of WC that could well be on the cards. Eddie would enjoy that role and he could do some very good things with our grassroots or what is left of them..

I fear Eddie's ego is what could get in the way of things & hamper Australian rugby in the long-term.

I think he believes he can manage all of these things on his plate effectively, but it's not sustainable to think you can do everything yourself. If the Wallabies are to succeed long-term Eddie needs to develop a group of young & upcoming coaches underneath him at the Wallabies (such as Ozich, Simon Cron, Razor, etc.) who are capable of coaching Australia - where is the succession plan? Eddie will be 68 in 2027, there's little doubt that he's going to either burn himself out - or others... well before then.

IMO - he really needs to move into a DOR/High Performance role, focus on implementing real structural change in Australian rugby and allow the younger coaches to come through and revitalize the Wallabies with more holistic & altruistic man-management methods, Eddie's old-school antiquated approach just isn't sustainable these days!

Just bring in Razor as head coach post-2023 or Lions & get Eddie to effectively do what Nuicifora has done at IRU for last 8 years - overhaul the whole structure.

 

[Slim 293]

So, back to Razor this week... Nucifora next week?

 

[The Ghost of Raelene]

I fear Eddie's ego is what could get in the way of things & hamper Australian rugby.

I think he believes he can manage all these things on his plate effectively, but it's not sustainable to think you can do everything yourself. If the Wallabies are to succeed long-term Eddie needs to develop a group of young & upcoming coaches underneath him at the Wallabies (such as Ozich, Simon Cron, Razor, etc.) who are capable of coaching Australia - where is the succession plan? Eddie will be 68 in 2027, there's little doubt that he's going to either burn himself out - or others... well before then.

IMO - he really needs to move into a DOR/High Performance role, focus on implementing real structural change in Australian rugby and allow the younger coaches to come through and revitalize the Wallabies with more holistic & altruistic man-management methods, Eddie's old-school antiquated approach just isn't sustainable these days!

Just bring in Razor as head coach post-2023 or Lions & get Eddie to effectively do what Nuicifora has done at IRU for last 8 years - overhaul the whole structure.

I like this idea and it's correct, but I think Eddie loves coaching and wouldn't be interested in a DOR role at this point. I believe he will be coaching at the next 2 RWCs for someone.

Totally dependent on results but I think the biggest chance for change will follow the Lions Tour 2025. Until then Eddie is Rugby TSAR

 

[TSR]

I assume the easy first step would be to bring Razor into McKellar’s spot when he goes to Qld.

 

[Qldtragic]

I fear Eddie's ego is what could get in the way of things & hamper Australian rugby in the long-term.

I think he believes he can manage all of these things on his plate effectively, but it's not sustainable to think you can do everything yourself. If the Wallabies are to succeed long-term Eddie needs to develop a group of young & upcoming coaches underneath him at the Wallabies (such as Ozich, Simon Cron, Razor, etc.) who are capable of coaching Australia - where is the succession plan? Eddie will be 68 in 2027, there's little doubt that he's going to either burn himself out - or others... well before then.

IMO - he really needs to move into a DOR/High Performance role, focus on implementing real structural change in Australian rugby and allow the younger coaches to come through and revitalize the Wallabies with more holistic & altruistic man-management methods, Eddie's old-school antiquated approach just isn't sustainable these days!

Just bring in Razor as head coach post-2023 or Lions & get Eddie to effectively do what Nuicifora has done at IRU for last 8 years - overhaul the whole structure.

Please please please can we take all the foreign coaches off the radar. If you need to be äussie"to play for the team then lets make it that you have to be äussie" to coach / train / manage/ physio / baggage handle for the team.
It means we would have to invest in our up and coming which I know might be a novel idea but will be worth it I am sure.

 

[Slim 293]

Please please please can we take all the foreign coaches off the radar. If you need to be äussie"to play for the team then lets make it that you have to be äussie" to coach / train / manage/ physio / baggage handle for the team.
It means we would have to invest in our up and coming which I know might be a novel idea but will be worth it I am sure.

Yeah, nah...

 

[Derpus]

Please please please can we take all the foreign coaches off the radar. If you need to be äussie"to play for the team then lets make it that you have to be äussie" to coach / train / manage/ physio / baggage handle for the team.
It means we would have to invest in our up and coming which I know might be a novel idea but will be worth it I am sure.

This is some mouthbreather shit.

We have no professional coaching pathway. None. Nothing. How the fuck are we gunna fill professional coaching positions when it's literally impossible to be an Australian and to pursue professional rugby coaching without leaving the entire god damn country huh?

And even if we did have the setup to implement such a policy, why would you? All you achieve is to limit what potential resources you have access to and will just make us less competitive.

 

[Doritos Day]

I fear Eddie's ego is what could get in the way of things & hamper Australian rugby in the long-term.

I think he believes he can manage all of these things on his plate effectively, but it's not sustainable to think you can do everything yourself. If the Wallabies are to succeed long-term Eddie needs to develop a group of young & upcoming coaches underneath him at the Wallabies (such as Ozich, Simon Cron, Razor, etc.) who are capable of coaching Australia - where is the succession plan? Eddie will be 68 in 2027, there's little doubt that he's going to either burn himself out - or others... well before then.

IMO - he really needs to move into a DOR/High Performance role, focus on implementing real structural change in Australian rugby and allow the younger coaches to come through and revitalize the Wallabies with more holistic & altruistic man-management methods, Eddie's old-school antiquated approach just isn't sustainable these days!

Just bring in Razor as head coach post-2023 or Lions & get Eddie to effectively do what Nuicifora has done at IRU for last 8 years - overhaul the whole structure.

bro how many words have you typed on this coaching fan fiction

let it go

 

[Pfitzy]

bro how many words have you typed on this coaching fan fiction

let it go

He'll keep going until he de-gloves Little Rodha.

 

[Qldtragic]

This is some mouthbreather shit.

We have no professional coaching pathway. None. Nothing. How the fuck are we gunna fill professional coaching positions when it's literally impossible to be an Australian and to pursue professional rugby coaching without leaving the entire god damn country huh?

And even if we did have the setup to implement such a policy, why would you? All you achieve is to limit what potential resources you have access to and will just make us less competitive.

Let me respond
No professional pathway - well we bloody well should. Lets take the first step and build one instead of being defeatist and throwing our hands in the air.
Off shore experience - perfect if that's what a coach wants / needs to do to gain experience and improve. Doesnt mean we cant select them or have them return for the wallaby role ie Gitteau Law. Never said they had to be working in Aussie Rugby to be considered / employed.

The gist of my policy is that we would bring some passion for the role back instead of having a mercenary whose heart lies elsewhere.
Sometimes the extra 1% comes from the intangible.
Lets face it the fixation of having Kiwis run our program hasn't been too successful - Raelene Boyle, Robbie Deans, Dave Rennie all excellent people and skilled in their own ways but not bloody effective in the RA machine.
In the meantime, we have jettisoned Nucifora (success in ACT and Ireland), Eddie Jones (success in Japan and England) Ewan Mackenzie (Success in Oz) to name a few.

Remember that Aussie Rugby at one point was seen as a leading operation. People use to come here for the improvement in their game/skill.
Als the path we have trod the past 15/20 years has got us to a point I dont think many of us like so if you arent prepared to roll up the sleeves and add constructive thought and effort then STFU and get out of the way.

 

[rodha]

I like this idea and it's correct, but I think Eddie loves coaching and wouldn't be interested in a DOR role at this point.

That's his problem, he could be very beneficial for ARU - in the right role.

If only he put his ego aside. Attack consultant, Technical advisor, DOR, etc..

A head coach Eddie is not... he's a straight up dictator, lacks empathy & creates negative energy-sapping environments where staff and players are constantly on edge and uncomfortable - does that at all sound like suitable characteristics for a head coach in 2023? Perhaps in 1973 it was.

Head coaches are supposed to develop vibrant constructive positive environments where players can grow and thrive, risk failure & be met with encouragement - as opposed to being humiliated. An environment that has the players and staff looking forward to coming into work, not dread!

 

[The Ghost of Raelene]

This has been discussed and it was very clear that Razor has not done enough to be considered by the Juggernaut that is RA.

Before he gets a Wallabies visor we need him to lead the Rebels to back to back Super Rugby titles then Zebre to the Heineken Cup.

 

[Derpus]

Let me respond
No professional pathway - well we bloody well should. Lets take the first step and build one instead of being defeatist and throwing our hands in the air.
Off shore experience - perfect if that's what a coach wants / needs to do to gain experience and improve. Doesnt mean we cant select them or have them return for the wallaby role ie Gitteau Law. Never said they had to be working in Aussie Rugby to be considered / employed.

The gist of my policy is that we would bring some passion for the role back instead of having a mercenary whose heart lies elsewhere.
Sometimes the extra 1% comes from the intangible.
Lets face it the fixation of having Kiwis run our program hasn't been too successful - Raelene Boyle, Robbie Deans, Dave Rennie all excellent people and skilled in their own ways but not bloody effective in the Rugby Australia machine.
In the meantime, we have jettisoned Nucifora (success in ACT and Ireland), Eddie Jones (success in Japan and England) Ewan Mackenzie (Success in Oz) to name a few.

Remember that Aussie Rugby at one point was seen as a leading operation. People use to come here for the improvement in their game/skill.
Als the path we have trod the past 15/20 years has got us to a point I dont think many of us like so if you arent prepared to roll up the sleeves and add constructive thought and effort then STFU and get out of the way.

I agree with the bold part. The rest is rambling nonsense.

 

[Pfitzy]

'I sat there bewildered': High Performance guru on the tricks RA missed - and how they must fix the game

Australian rugby might be celebrating the return of Eddie Jones as head coach, but the person who set up Ireland's and Scotland’s high-performance systems…

www.theroar.com.au

“So if everyone is agreeable that we need a reboot, what does it look like? I come back to performance, pathway and participation.”

Anderson adds that coaching the coach is just as critical as developing players.

“At a community level, it’s growing the game because you need the critical mass to compete,” he said.

“The players need strong competitions. A bigger critical mass gives you a greater opportunity for players to aspire and move through the system. They are the two areas that if I reflect on where are we at, those are the two areas. That talent ID and recruitment, that’s player retention and coach retention and development. It’s not just the player, we’ve got to develop the coach.”

He pointed to the coaching drain across Australia, where highly respected figures like Mick Byrne who was world-renowned at the All Blacks has been waved goodbye, as an area that needs urgent attention.

“We’re very good at technical and tactical here in Australia, but it’s the broader system of your pathway and your elite development programs in coaching and playing that need to be attended to,” he said.

“I’ve always been very big in high-performance in developing the coach, the individual coach and what areas do they want to specialise in.

“At the moment, if I wanted to be a defensive coach at an elite level, what’s our mentoring program? What are we offering that particular individual? That’s what we’re missing. A lot of it is left up to the individual to pursue his or her development when we should have something framed that supports that journey of that particular person. Not everyone wants to be a head coach.”

Anderson said he was shocked that RA didn’t ask enough questions about how other rugby systems were operating across the world.

“I used to sit there bewildered sometimes,” he said. “Why wouldn’t you ask, what did Ireland do? Hello.

It goes on.

 

[Qldtragic]

I agree with the bold part. The rest is rambling nonsense.

Nonsense??
Seeing as I have seen it (like many others) I would consider my observations to be factual.

Imports have failed
Aussie rugby was world leader

 

[Derpus]

Nonsense??
Seeing as I have seen it (like many others) I would consider my observations to be factual.

Imports have failed
Aussie rugby was world leader

We were world leader in the 90s, only half of which was even professional. Since then a wide variety of Australians have also 'failed'.