Wallabies 2023

[Braveheart81]

I’ve always said I don’t see Jones going past the Lions 2025 to give a coach 2 years into a WC in 27 but if we go out in the pools is he gone?

Does Waugh have it in him?

Financially I don't see how this is possible. You'd need Jones to resign.

 

[Tomthumb]

I can't be bothered scrolling through the last 30 pages. But there are plenty of people who still prefer him over Rennie and can't see through his bs.

No there aren't. I'm probably the most pro Eddie guy here and even I can admit it's a royal fuck up

But to pretend like Rennie had this coherent master plan is straight up revisionist history

 

[The Ghost of Raelene]

I think it comes down to who the alternatives are - none of the Super coaches fit the bill, maybe Kiss in a couple of years time, but right now I can't think of a coach worldwide who might be a genuine candidate.

For me it’s more likely to be McKellar, Cron or Coleman in terms of coaches developing. Kiss is what he is and probably a steady set of hands but that’s about it.

Larkham would be a guy I could see them liking from a PR point of view. People know the name.

 

[dusk]

Nope, because we stlll have people backing this clown and don't see through his bs.

Pretty sure everyone here can agree that he has not made the best decisions with this group of players, but the reality is, we don't have good enough players. A good game plan will only get you so far.

 

[Lorenzo]

I think we need to give a coach 20 tests before we can really judge their impact. It's not ideal for the RWC to occur during the first 10 of those tests but I don't think Rennie had demonstrated that we were a realistic chance of winning it. Always a step forward followed by a step back, or a plucky loss that was supposed to turn into wins 'next time' but never really did. I don't think there was a realistic chance that Rennie's team as it was and on the trajectory they appeared to be, could beat one of Fiji/Wales, then the QF, Semi and Final. They just weren't consistent enough.

 

[Brumby Runner]

Fine then, I'll do it.

Jesus, do I have to do everything around here?

Here is my team, all of whom will be on MASSIVE contract$$ from Rugby Australia.

You want the best you fucking pay us.

Treasurer: @Dismal Pillock
All The Dull Shitwork Going Around the Clubs Trying To Get All The Arseholes On The Same Page: @Pfitzy
Selectors: @Tomikin @Brumby Runner Responsible for fast-tracking all ACT Brumbies players directly into the Wallabies. Don't complain, nobody else in Australian rugby knows how to win.
Relentlessly Upbeat and Positive Social Media manager: @Derpus
Bondi Beach talent scout: @zer0
Bondi Beach talent scout: @Dismal Pillock

Responsible for fast-tracking all ACT Brumbies players directly into the Wallabies. Don't complain, nobody else in Australian rugby knows how to win.

Many a true word spoken in jest DP.

 

[Brumby Runner]

I don’t care how big the forwards are, their work around the rucks was abysmal. Players going into contact by themselves with other players far more interested in standing off than getting tight and keeping the Fijians from Pilfering every single ruck

That's harsh on the forwards TT. Some of the turnovers at the ruck were because the ball carrier got himself isolated, but most were because of very marginal refereeing of the breakdown. In any other game I've seen over the past couple of years, some of those turnovers would not have been awarded and others would have been penalties to the Wallabies for hands on the ground by the pilferer.

 

[Tomthumb]

That's harsh on the forwards TT. Some of the turnovers at the ruck were because the ball carrier got himself isolated, but most were because of very marginal refereeing of the breakdown. In any other game I've seen over the past couple of years, some of those turnovers would not have been awarded and others would have been penalties to the Wallabies for hands on the ground by the pilferer.

Fiji were clearing out rucks so much more efficiently then we were though, and that's a problem because Wales are accurate in that area

 

[Dismal Pillock]

Responsible for fast-tracking all ACT Brumbies players directly into the Wallabies. Don't complain, nobody else in Australian rugby knows how to win.

Many a true word spoken in jest DP.

What was that analytics thing Ben Darwin does, "doesnt matter so much how good individuals are, all about the amount of time spent playing together" or something? Wobs should have gone with front row of Slipper, Lonergan and AA + Frost paired with Darcy Swain, Samu and Valetini, Lonergan at 9, Lolesio Ikitau and Manbun, Toole and the rocks and diamonds of Tom Wright at the back.

 

[Joe Blow]

Fiji were clearing out rucks so much more efficiently then we were though, and that's a problem because Wales are accurate in that area

So what is our coached approach at the breakdown?

 

[Derpus]

What was that analytics thing Ben Darwin does, "doesnt matter so much how good individuals are, all about the amount of time spent playing together" or something? Wobs should have gone with front row of Slipper, Lonergan and AA + Frost paired with Darcy Swain, Samu and Valetini, Lonergan at 9, Lolesio Ikitau and Manbun, Toole and the rocks and diamonds of Tom Wright at the back.

Wouldn't have done any worse, at least.

 

[Slim 293]

What was that analytics thing Ben Darwin does, "doesnt matter so much how good individuals are, all about the amount of time spent playing together" or something? Wobs should have gone with front row of Slipper, Lonergan and AA + Frost paired with Darcy Swain, Samu and Valetini, Lonergan at 9, Lolesio Ikitau and Manbun, Toole and the rocks and diamonds of Tom Wright at the back.

 

[Highlander35]

I think RA accurately saw a Rennie coached team getting comfortable bundled out in the Semis or losing a tight QF. Whether through delusion or dreams of overperformance, they saw RSA v Japan at RWC 15 and Eng v NZ at RWC 19 and decided that was what was needed to have a genuine shot at winning the cup.

What's happened in the interim has been a chaotic mess. I have no doubt that results will trend upwards towards '27, but what can only be described as theory crafting from EJ (Eddie Jones) has left the team devoid of leadership and experience in key areas, and has substantial double standards in the treatment of players in terms of return from injury and management of current injury.

Questions will need to be asked and answered, particularly if a handful of his "bold" picks (e.g. Gordon, T Hooper etc.) return to Super Rugby devoid of the confidence and form that saw them achieve wider selection in the first place.

It is mildly amusing that the worst possible outcome could have resulted from the unwillingness to accept a mediocre finish.

 

[Derpus]

I think Rugby Australia accurately saw a Rennie coached team getting comfortable bundled out in the Semis or losing a tight QF. Whether through delusion or dreams of overperformance, they saw RSA v Japan at RWC 15 and Eng v NZ at RWC 19 and decided that was what was needed to have a genuine shot at winning the cup.

What's happened in the interim has been a chaotic mess. I have no doubt that results will trend upwards towards '27, but what can only be described as theory crafting from EJ (Eddie Jones) (Eddie Jones) has left the team devoid of leadership and experience in key areas, and has substantial double standards in the treatment of players in terms of return from injury and management of current injury.

Questions will need to be asked and answered, particularly if a handful of his "bold" picks (e.g. Gordon, T Hooper etc.) return to Super Rugby devoid of the confidence and form that saw them achieve wider selection in the first place.

It is mildly amusing that the worst possible outcome could have resulted from the unwillingness to accept a mediocre finish.

The cheering that could be heard from the other side of the planet when EJ (Eddie Jones) was sacked by England might have been a clue for the blokes.

 

[Brumby Runner]

What was that analytics thing Ben Darwin does, "doesnt matter so much how good individuals are, all about the amount of time spent playing together" or something? Wobs should have gone with front row of Slipper, Lonergan and AA + Frost paired with Darcy Swain, Samu and Valetini, Lonergan at 9, Lolesio Ikitau and Manbun, Toole and the rocks and diamonds of Tom Wright at the back.

Personally, I wouldn't go quite that far, but I do like it.

 

[KevinO]

Eddie Jones was happy with a 20 point win over Georgia. How can anyside win a world cup when they're satisfied with those sorts of performances.

Do you really believe the Wallabies were a chance to win this world cup? With Rennie or Jones, and less then 40% win ratio over 8 years? I think Jones knew that and has gone with a squad for the future, rightly or wrongly ridden the Wallabies chances off for this world cup and accepted he will get all the heat from the media by picking a young squad.

 

[KOB1987]

The GBR-Au podcast this week is a good listen (disclaimer: I haven’t finished it yet). Drew Mitchell in particular doesn’t miss.

 

[Sword of Justice]

Even with Skelton, Tupou, Ala'alatoa, Tate and whoever else I no longer think it's reasonable to expect any combination of 23 players we have to be competitive at this world cup, regardless of the coach.

Aus rugby is getting close to a position where, like in soccer, players essentially openly state that they hope to get out of Australia to play at a decent level.

 

[HogansHeros]

Aus rugby is getting close to a position where, like in soccer, players essentially openly state that they hope to get out of Australia to play at a decent level.

You think players are heading to Japan and the USA to player a higher level of rugby than played in AUS?

 

[Sword of Justice]

You think players are heading to Japan and the USA to player a higher level of rugby than played in AUS?

No. Where did I say that?