Wallabies 2023

[Braveheart81]

Does this not provide support to the argument he has lost his composure as a 10 in the final stages of a match?

This is precisely the point I am making, I'd rather chance our arm than accept another valiant loss.

I'd much rather try something and back a young player through adversity. We need to get better at allowing rookies to fail on the pitch and fostering that as a learning experience. Cooper has shown that it's possible to get better from hardships and we haven't done that with many other players. Foley is a known quantity and we shouldn't reward the level of mediocrity that has been established since 2015. There's almost never been a larger sample size to learn from.

We should have beaten NZ but the referee made a ridiculous decision that was unprecedented. Foley was at fault for wasting time but it's really hard to blame him for the loss. He'd also put us in a position where we should have won and the last penalty kick for touch wasn't taken any more slowly than several others during the match but the referee suddenly decided the laws should change at that point.

As I said we were beating France when he was replaced with 10 minutes to go. I'm not sure how he can be blamed for us conceding a try to lose it.

He levelled the scores with less than 10 minutes to go against Ireland but we gave up a late penalty to lose.

Cooper showed it was possible to come back as a more mature player and play well for the Wallabies in 2021. It was arguably better than a lot of his previous test rugby because he didn't try and put the whole game on his own back. He just tried to do his job. What do you mean it's possible to get better from hardships? He was recalled because he had been playing decent rugby overseas and we were desperate for an experienced option.

If Cooper is first choice, the issue with Gordon is that if he was required he's being thrown in with no preparation. I don't think that is allowing him to fail, it's putting him in a position where basically the only outcome is to fail.

 

[Sword of Justice]

I totally disagree that the only outcome for Gordon is to fail or that he would necessarily have no preparation into the world cup. Why couldn't we pick him in games leading up? Recent winners have done significant experimenting prior to the championships.

Is there a decent chance he'd fail? Yes, but I'd say we have no reason at all to believe that Foley will be adequate in that position to win a world cup.

 

[qwerty51]

Eddie Jones will have Quade and Kerevi for the Barbarians (against Korobiete) match later this month

Almost feels like we're cheating getting them extra games against quality opposition.

 

[qwerty51]

I totally disagree that the only outcome for Gordon is to fail or that he would necessarily have no preparation into the world cup. Why couldn't we pick him in games leading up? Recent winners have done significant experimenting prior to the championships.

Recent winners used which rookie young 10s?

 

[RugbyReg]

Eddie Jones will have Quade and Kerevi for the Barbarians (against Korobiete) match later this month

Almost feels like we're cheating getting them extra games against quality opposition.

Barbarians against Koroibete??

 

[dillyboy]

Barbarians against Koroibete??

Baa baas v World XV

 

[RugbyReg]

Baa baas v World XV

Really? When is that? And where? I knew they were playing England. Not a world team.

 

[Sword of Justice]

Recent winners used which rookie young 10s?

He wouldn't be a rookie if he was selected prior to the world cup would he?

My point being I'd rather we didn't select a player who has a 5/18 record at international level in the last 5 years.

Anyway rule 10 to myself.

 

[qwerty51]

He wouldn't be a rookie if he was selected prior to the world cup would he?

My point being I'd rather we didn't select a player who has a 5/18 record at international level in the last 5 years.

Anyway rule 10 to myself.

I don't think you lose your rookie status in 1 game, it's generally a term of a year.

Why on earth are singling Foley out of for that record? Not as if he's directly responsible for every loss in the last 5 years. There are probably players with worse records who are guaranteed selections.

 

[John S]

Rule 10?

As much as it's been fun, doesn't seem like either of you will change your position.

 

[qwerty51]

South Africa v Australia Loftus Versfeld, Pretoria Saturday, 8 July, 2023

Referee: Ben O'Keeffe (NZR) Assistant Referee 1: Paul Williams (NZR) Assistant Referee 2: Andrea Piardi (FIR) TMO: Brendon Pickerill (NZR)

Australia v Argentina CommBank Stadium, Sydney Saturday, 15 July, 2023

Referee: Jaco Peyper (SARU) Assistant Referee 1: Paul Williams (NZR) Assistant Referee 2: James Doleman (NZR) TMO: Marius Jonker (SARU)

Australia v New Zealand Melbourne Cricket Ground, Melbourne Saturday, 29 July, 2023

Referee: Wayne Barnes (RFU) Assistant Referee 1: Karl Dickson (RFU) Assistant Referee 2: Christophe Ridley (RFU) TMO: Tom Foley (RFU)

New Zealand v Australia Forsyth Barr Stadium, Dunedin Saturday, 5 August, 2023

Referee: Karl Dickson (RFU) Assistant Referee 1: Wayne Barnes (RFU) Assistant Referee 2: Christophe Ridley (RFU) TMO: Marius Jonker (SARU)

France v Australia Stade de France, Saint-Denis Sunday, 27 August, 2023

Referee: Luke Pearce (RFU) Assistant Referee 1: Christophe Ridley (RFU) Assistant Referee 2: Craig Evans (WRU) TMO: Tom Foley (RFU)

Better to get O'Keeffe in an unwinnable Test. We have a very good record under Wayne Barnes. Karl Dickson is a totally out-of-form ref; he had an absolute shocker last week and is generally known as a homer. No Raynal in any capacity for any of our matches. We escape Joy Neville thankfully although do have the 2nd worst TMO in Jonker.

 

[dru]

I don't see why we can't run Quade at 10 and Gordon at 22 in the TRC. Quade likely is better not running the 80, Gordon could use 20/30 at the tail.

I'm not specifically against Foley, but I'd take either/or Quade/Foley. If Quade isn't up to it, start Foley and leave Quade in Japan. Thence Carter and Hodge filling in at utility after that.

 

[SouthernX]

is there any cap on the Giteau law?

I can’t see 2 flyhalves being selected (Cooper and Foley) if second rower & Koribote are more pressing matter

 

[Braveheart81]

I totally disagree that the only outcome for Gordon is to fail or that he would necessarily have no preparation into the world cup. Why couldn't we pick him in games leading up? Recent winners have done significant experimenting prior to the championships.

We have four tests before we pick a squad and the player most likely to be our starting 10 has played a total of 100 minutes of rugby this year.

I expect Cooper will play almost every minute of the lead up tests.

 

[Lightblue]

We have four tests before we pick a squad and the player most likely to be our starting 10 has played a total of 100 minutes of rugby this year.

I expect Cooper will play almost every minute of the lead up tests.

I want QC (Quade Cooper) to play against the ABs and win the Bledisloe. If he does that, he’s the man.

 

[The Ghost of Raelene]

Does Aus A have fixtures? I be comfortable letting Quade play Tests. Carter run around for Aus A and get extra mins in the Tests if the fixtures worked.

 

[stillmissit]

What would it say about Eddie Jones?

The reality is we play 4 tests before the RWC squad is selected. It's pretty reasonable to think that isn't a sufficient amount of time to bring in an uncapped player to play 10.

BH, I think it would be a form of madness to leave our best young 10 who could impact the result at home. The fact that he hasn't been capped shouldn't be an issue and he could get a couple of runs from the bench and if he fails bring in Foley but it is a tactic that almost certainly confirms that Eddie is looking for experience and not talent. And that is exactly what I was saying about all you need to know about Eddie.
I think we will make the semi's but that will be it without some X factors. BTW I would be happy with that as I had us down as qtr finals and gone.
The chances of winning it are remote if we stick with what we have already seen and that will be the case unless Hamish opens up to more Internationals.

 

[stillmissit]

I want QC (Quade Cooper) (Quade Cooper) to play against the ABs and win the Bledisloe. If he does that, he’s the man.

Close to God!

 

[stillmissit]

the referee suddenly decided the laws should change at that point

BH, all referees change the timeing at the end of a game, the impact on the opposition is great and ref's know it. Mind you I thought that was bizarre as he should have spoken to Foley about being quick at the end of the game. Foley lost us that game.....

 

[Braveheart81]

Eddie is looking for experience and not talent. And that is exactly what I was saying about all you need to know about Eddie.

Which coach/team goes to a RWC and isn't interested in experience? There's an incredible correlation between experience and success at RWCs.

It wouldn't be a question of not being interested in an obvious talent. It's entirely around preparation time.