HogansHeros
Dave Cowper (27)
Yep, I can see this happening. I think it will be positive coming into the world cup, but he does sound exhausting in the long term.
Wallabies 2023
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Adam84
Rod McCall (65)
I'm not fussed with this decision.
There has something amiss with the Wallabies camp all year; the unprecedented number of injuries in training, losing two well qualified assistant coaches, player discipline issues on-field…
One thing Eddie does know how to do which Rennie struggled at is engaging/manipulating the media. Rennie was happy to avoid the limelight whereas Eddie knows how to feed the media snippets which generate headlines.
There has something amiss with the Wallabies camp all year; the unprecedented number of injuries in training, losing two well qualified assistant coaches, player discipline issues on-field…
One thing Eddie does know how to do which Rennie struggled at is engaging/manipulating the media. Rennie was happy to avoid the limelight whereas Eddie knows how to feed the media snippets which generate headlines.
dru
David Wilson (68)
I wish the best for Rennie, thought he was under-rated here in Australia but whatever the environment around him, he was the architect of his own demise. Had he done things differently, and a couple of refinements may have changed that W/L ratio, this would not have happened. Hope he develops from the experience. I like him, but I'm not mortgaging the WB future on the bloke right now.
Whatever the hysterical reactions (premonitions even) by some here, it seems to me that EJ (Eddie Jones) is currently the most successful international rugby coach in the world.
He has been an experimenter as he tries to lead where rugby is going, not just a follower. The infamous treatment of the WB front line being one that didn't work. In England he worked the "double 6" based on the personnel available. He has recently been working or at least thinking about an loose forward hybrid in the centres. I don't mind having a thinker in the role of WB HC.
While at Japan he was quizzed by the English media of how he would handle coaching England, prompting thoughts of the mobility he was implementing in Japan. "No" he said. "If I was coaching England I'd have them being English with English characteristics." I think he has done that and certainly there is no evidence of pending destruction to the WB scrum that some are suggesting would inherently happen with EJ (Eddie Jones) at the helm. When they say that EJ (Eddie Jones) understands Aussie rugby, and people are groaning the end of the world, when can expect that it won't be 10 man rugby. It's a start I can live with.
The timing is rubbish, I would certainly have stuck with Rennie for the 23 RWC if possible. RA evaluation is that it was more important to lock in Eddie than to keep the WB continuity for 23. Hard to gauge that (bold call for sure) but the response is not illogical. In the mean time, EJ (Eddie Jones) was able to analyse the WB performance/strengths and tear it down. That is not a bad start for someone taking over the Wallabies.
The whole thing is a little unsettling but it is not total doom. Certainly life is going to get interesting. Better off getting behind it I reckon.
Whatever the hysterical reactions (premonitions even) by some here, it seems to me that EJ (Eddie Jones) is currently the most successful international rugby coach in the world.
He has been an experimenter as he tries to lead where rugby is going, not just a follower. The infamous treatment of the WB front line being one that didn't work. In England he worked the "double 6" based on the personnel available. He has recently been working or at least thinking about an loose forward hybrid in the centres. I don't mind having a thinker in the role of WB HC.
While at Japan he was quizzed by the English media of how he would handle coaching England, prompting thoughts of the mobility he was implementing in Japan. "No" he said. "If I was coaching England I'd have them being English with English characteristics." I think he has done that and certainly there is no evidence of pending destruction to the WB scrum that some are suggesting would inherently happen with EJ (Eddie Jones) at the helm. When they say that EJ (Eddie Jones) understands Aussie rugby, and people are groaning the end of the world, when can expect that it won't be 10 man rugby. It's a start I can live with.
The timing is rubbish, I would certainly have stuck with Rennie for the 23 RWC if possible. RA evaluation is that it was more important to lock in Eddie than to keep the WB continuity for 23. Hard to gauge that (bold call for sure) but the response is not illogical. In the mean time, EJ (Eddie Jones) was able to analyse the WB performance/strengths and tear it down. That is not a bad start for someone taking over the Wallabies.
The whole thing is a little unsettling but it is not total doom. Certainly life is going to get interesting. Better off getting behind it I reckon.
TSR
Andrew Slack (58)
Yeah Dru - ‘I being facetious. I don’t have any serious concerns Jones is going to revert to his scrum tactics from his first stint. It should be noted that initially it was quite successful until other countries complained the Wallabies were cheating and World Rugby issued directives to the refereeing cohort and the Wallabies scrum was put under the microscope.
That's some big exposure. 7:20am on the Today show is primetime breakfast television. Anyone got a link to the interview?
Pfitzy
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Not at this point, but this was the first vid that popped up in my YouTube this morning. Yes I subscribe to rugby.com.au and obviously the algo leans toward my following of rugby, but this is a first:
PhilClinton
Mark Loane (55)
Geez the marketing and publicity being thrown at this in the last 24hrs is impressive.
The Ghost of Raelene
David Codey (61)
Also new hires in the marketing department
wamberal
Phil Kearns (64)
As many as he wants.
The Ghost of Raelene
David Codey (61)
Throw that out the window at this point. We need the best squad possible. If they need a hard cap on it make it 8 or a something that makes sure we aren’t leaving someone behind who is better than another member of the squad.
Derpus
Nathan Sharpe (72)
I don't think so. This seemed a point of contention between Rennie and RA.
rodha
Dave Cowper (27)
It's interesting that of all the Wallabies coaches of the professional era, Jones is the one to get at another crack.
Would you have thought the coach who decimated Australia's set-piece and left the team in a smoldering pile of ruins at the end of 2005 would be the one to warrant a second-term with this team? I still believe Ewen McKenzie was the anointed one - you only have to look at the respective state's of the national side when Jones departed in 2005, compared to when McKenzie 'exited stage left' at the end of 2014.
The Wallabies were a festering ruin at the conclusion of Eddie's tenure. Meanwhile Cheika inherited a refined & polished world-class Wallabies outfit from Ewen McKenzie who's hard work from the previous two seasons helped culminated in a world cup final result.
You see real leadership is thinking ahead of the moment you're in.
With Eddie's Wallabies & England tenures we've seen remarkable initial success followed by mass fallout & prolonged instability, his team's have finished up being plagued with inconsistent, incoherent and unstable selections & tactics at the pointy end of his tenure.
Combined with his highly unsustainable man-management methods, constantly demanding standards, with an insular focus on getting success now (but f*** the team after I'm gone!) so leaving the following coach to pick up the scorched pieces and start from scratch again.
Proper leadership is catering for beyond your term in power in the position you're in and McKenzie's developments put Australia in a good stead for the future, he put in place strong foundations through his pragmatic coaching and selections in 2013/14 & his contributions over that brief tenure can be very much attributed to their subsequent success the following year in 2015.
Basically this is my not so subtle way of implying that if any previous Wallabies coach deserved a 2nd-term it was Ewen, not Eddie!
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Dctarget
Tim Horan (67)
I'm feeling pretty bullish this morning after the dust has settled.
Initially couldn't think beyond, "tough luck for Rennie, he had a bad run of luck". Buuuut HC of Australia is not the place for a coach to cut his teeth. Rennie's only experience at international level is 38%, unacceptable. Can't keep him around because he's nice and plays the guitar. Wish him all the best and hopefully he has a great run with another T1 side in the future.
Ol' Eddie though, he knows his way around an International team. I'm actually quite impressed RA had the balls to pull it off.
Initially couldn't think beyond, "tough luck for Rennie, he had a bad run of luck". Buuuut HC of Australia is not the place for a coach to cut his teeth. Rennie's only experience at international level is 38%, unacceptable. Can't keep him around because he's nice and plays the guitar. Wish him all the best and hopefully he has a great run with another T1 side in the future.
Ol' Eddie though, he knows his way around an International team. I'm actually quite impressed RA had the balls to pull it off.
Dctarget
Tim Horan (67)
Don't know why I'm replying to this but Ewen hasn't coached in a decade, Eddie has and by all reports from the England players he's the best coach they've ever played under.
PhilClinton
Mark Loane (55)
Yes because I think Rennie kept trying to move the goalposts in terms of how many he wanted.
Eddie isnt dumb. I doubt he would handicap himself off the bat regarding a selection policy. If he wants open book, he will have open book and would have made that clear during negotiations.
LeCheese
Greg Davis (50)
Goosebumps. I’m on board
Tex
Greg Davis (50)
Man I'm fascinated to see his selections. It's a Jones trope for sure, but I can't but think a bit of a gritty blowtorch atmosphere will be a revelation in the Wallabies. No doubt there are some men who won't adjust, but there are going to be plenty of guys currently in Australia A or Super Rugby teams who'll get a shot and thrive under him.
Bullish.
Bullish.