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Stirling Mortlock (74)
Oh yeah, SMI is a well entrenched culture warrior/pro-plaguer…
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Oh yeah, SMI is a well entrenched culture warrior/pro-plaguer…
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Peter Johnson (47)
OK move on....
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Steve Williams (59)
They just can't help themselves can they
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Andrew Slack (58)
Of course not.
But anyone who knows rugby knows that it is rife with people with less than perfect records. Jones admits that he made massive errors in his time at the Reds and learned from the experience. Rugby is full of guys with past failing, controversy and redemption stories including the likes of Nucifora, Cheika, McKenzie, Foster, Woodward, Thorn, Deans, Cooper, Beale, Latu, O’Connor, Folau, Aaron Smith, Pablo Matera. (And I don’t list there names to cast dispersions at any of them - none of us are perfect).
McQueen, Connolly, Dwyer all had their detractors and critics. Dwyer won the World Cup in his second chance at the Wallabies gig and there were plenty who were furious when Henry & Smith’s time the AB coaching team was extended at the end of the 2007 World Cup.
He coached Qld 15 years ago and since then he has had considerable success as a coach.
The only decision here is whether Jones is the best person to succeed Rennie as the Wallabies coach and, if so, when that should happen.
It is entirely possible he isn’t. But RA would be negligent to not check it out.
From my own perspective I simple don’t know - but i don’t understand how anyone could reach the conclusion he can’t coach or that he is too old.
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Andrew Slack (58)
Yeah - but can he prove it
16 years ago? Accomplished a bit since then hasn't he? Gave debuts to Genia and Cooper that year too. And had one of the worse runs of prop injuries I've seen in the modern era
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Phil Kearns (64)
We see things differently. It seemed to me that his game plan was totally unsuitable for the player resources, particularly the tight forwards, thus the "worst run of prop injuries". His success with England is built, at least partly, on the extraordinary depth of player resources they have.
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Andrew Slack (58)
Eddie Jones has publicly admitted responsibility for the injury toll his training approach took on the Qld team.
He has always been known to be a tough coach but have there been any further periods in which his training methods have been considered to contribute to player injury? Genuine question - I’m not aware of any, but could be just that I’m not aware of it?
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Rod McCall (65)
Since then though he worked with South Africa and Jake White when they won the 2007 RWC, coached Japan when they caused one of the greatest upsets in RWC history when they beat South Africa at the 2015 RWC. He coached England on a 18 game winning streak(Tier 1 record), England’s first grand slam in 13 years, won the 6 Nations twice and took England to a RWC final
In fact he leaves England with the best coaching record in history at 73% beating Clive Woodward at 71%.
Yeah he had a shit season with the Reds 16 years ago, but I’m probably going to weigh his recent results and experience a bit heavier.
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rodha
Dave Cowper (27)
Stuff
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Former Wallabies backrower Ross Reynolds had 18 months as an assistant until Jones eventually lost the Wallabies job in late 2005.
"He was good to have a beer with but when the pressure grew he was not in a good place. He lost the dressing room. He went against the players. Eddie had a group of elite players who had been with him, right through the Brumbies into the Wallabies. When things started to go awry and Eddie lost his cool, the inner sanctum didn't enjoy it." Reynolds said.
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Andrew Slack (58)
My last word on it as we are going in circles.Stuff
Former Wallabies backrower Ross Reynolds had 18 months as an assistant until Jones eventually lost the Wallabies job in late 2005.
"He was good to have a beer with but when the pressure grew he was not in a good place. He lost the dressing room. He went against the players. Eddie had a group of elite players who had been with him, right through the Brumbies into the Wallabies. When things started to go awry and Eddie lost his cool, the inner sanctum didn't enjoy it." Reynolds said.
No one that I’ve seen disagrees Jones has character flaws and it is well known his personality has driven/ridden numerous people to hard.
It doesn’t mean he isn’t a great coach. Despite his flaws he has an outstanding professional coaching success and particularly at World Cups. That is equally unquestionable.
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Dave Cowper (27)
I believe he berated 18 year old Quade Cooper to the point of tears that same year...
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David Wilson (68)
16 years on.
Bloke, your ageism sings strongly. Eddie may or may not be the right guy for the WBs, but your logic isn't convincing many.
rodha
Dave Cowper (27)
A lack of test experience hasn't necessarily been a barrier for success for other coaches. Rod Macqueen coached the Waratahs & Brumbies for a few seasons. Eddie Jones only had three seasons at the Brumbies before taking over Wallabies in 2001, he also had immediate success.
Most notably Jake White, who you ironically mentioned, had only coached age-group rugby for 2 years (the Springbok U20's was his only head coaching experience, prior to 2003) before taking over the Springboks in 2004 and guiding them to the World Cup title in 2007.
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rodha
Dave Cowper (27)
England also played a disproportionately higher amount of matches against lower ranked nations, Tonga, Japan, etc..
Jones achieved all of his success when Borthwick was his assistant. 3 Six Nations titles, a Grand Slam, WC final result.
His win-percentage without Borthwick (2021-2022) was 40%, and with Borthwick (2016-2022) it was 82%, it's even more interesting & revealing than Steve Hansen's disparity in record with Wayne Smith as assistant coach 93% (2012-2016) versus without (2017-2019) 78%.
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I believe he berated more than just QC (Quade Cooper) to tears.
rodha
Dave Cowper (27)
In a report in the Times on Tuesday evening, it was revealed that the review of Eddie Jones' position as England coach uncovered some ugly truths about the atmosphere in the England dressing room.
The report suggests that Jones had created a "draining" environment for players, and that fallouts with specific players had begun during a trying Six Nations.
These kinds of reports from the English camp are not necessarily new - Jones has been criticised in the past for his treatment of backroom staff. However, the report in the Times suggests that Jones had begun to fall out with the players in the England squad over the course of 2022, putting a ticking clock on his time in the job.
A Six Nations campaign which saw England claim just two wins, and suffer defeat to rivals Scotland and Ireland, had tensions running high in the England camp, and the Times report suggests that those tensions led to a severe fallout with Saracens man Max Malins.
Malins was allegedly reduced to tears by scathing criticism from Jones, who slammed the Sarries back's body language and dumped him from the squad. The Times claim that incidents like these across the year made Jones unpopular with the squad, and ultimately made his position untenable.
Report: Fallout With Players Led To Eddie Jones Sacking | Balls.ie
Eddie Jones has finally departed as England coach, and reports in the English media suggest it was a poor changing room atmosphere that did it
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