Wallabies 2019 Thread

[RoffsChoice]

So do you drop Koroibete (our best specialist winger) or DHP, the most consistent player of the Ireland series. Hodge has only been so/so for the Rebels all year.

Yeah, that's the struggle. Probably better to get Beale to work on his goal kicking. If White was still in Aus, I'd argue picking him at scrumhalf as a solution, but it is what it is.

 

[RoffsChoice]

I think Folau F. has been outstanding since the June Series, clearly worked on his throwing during his time in the Wallaby Camp, and should be given a game in the RC.

If we're in with a chance of winning the whole thing (say we steal the Bledisloe game in Sydney), then we pick our first choice for every game.
However, if that isn't happening, I think we should be using the Argentina games as an opportunity for fringe players or unknown quantities (Rona at 13, DHP as our fullback, Powell at 9, etc.). Fainga'a might be given a go there, but it's just as likely that Latu would start.

 

[Strewthcobber]

Not having a go here, but how do guys like Coleman, Rodda, and Philip compare in lineout experience? By the world cup, Arnold will have been a regular Super Rugby level lineout option for five years, and an irregular lineout caller, and a Wallaby for three years.

Those three guys have been the main lineout target in every game they've ever played since childhood. They have far more experience

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[cyclopath]

Except Beale has shown in the past that he can't play 10 particularly well. Even at 15 he seems to lose a lot of influence. His form certainly tailed off last year when he got pushed back. Plus, the last thing you want is Mr Crabs playing in the 10 position. He squeezes out enough space from 12.

People calling for Beale at 10 don't seem to really watch how he plays in recent times at the Tahs and Wallaby level. His best attacking efforts are in the extra space and time he gets moving around. The whole Foley / Beale dance is obviously not to everyone's tastes, but there are plenty of teams utilising a more fluid approach with regard to attacking, and not the rote patterns of the past. Look at the Kiwi Super teams. For better or worse, it seems to work. I think we get more from Foley and Beale working this way. Which is not to say it does not have shortcomings - there is always some degree of compromise.

 

[Up the Guts]

If we're in with a chance of winning the whole thing (say we steal the Bledisloe game in Sydney), then we pick our first choice for every game.
However, if that isn't happening, I think we should be using the Argentina games as an opportunity for fringe players or unknown quantities (Rona at 13, DHP as our fullback, Powell at 9, etc.). Fainga'a might be given a go there, but it's just as likely that Latu would start.

Yes I agree with putting your best team out on the paddock but in this instance I don’t think there’s a whole lot between Latu, Fainga’a, and BPA and none of them would really be a step down off the bench. Similarly at lock there’s not a whole heap of difference between any combination of Rodda, Coleman, and Arnold

 

[TSR]

Ordinarily I would suggest that Fainga’a may be a bit unlucky with Ulese & Paenga-Amosa having got the jump on him and Latu having stormed back into the reckoning.

However BPAs throwing seems to have deserted him after being quite good early in the season and Ulese’s ongoing injuries can’t be helping his cause. On the other hand Fainga’a’s form seems to be on the up.

Whatever the case, gee we are looking much stronger at 2 then we were 12 months ago.

 

[Derpus]

Ordinarily I would suggest that Fainga’a may be a bit unlucky with Ulese & Paenga-Amosa having got the jump on him and Latu having stormed back into the reckoning.

However BPAs throwing seems to have deserted him after being quite good early in the season and Ulese’s ongoing injuries can’t be helping his cause. On the other hand Fainga’a’s form seems to be on the up.

Whatever the case, gee we are looking much stronger at 2 then we were 12 months ago.

I thought TPN was one of the form hookers in the world last year. I think clinging on to Moore a couple of years after his form had dropped off was the problem.

 

[TSR]

My comment wasn’t a criticism of TPN.

Moore was a great servant to Australian rugby, but last year was 1 too many. And our depth was virtually nil.

 

[Jimmy_Crouch]

People calling for Beale at 10 don't seem to really watch how he plays in recent times at the Tahs and Wallaby level. His best attacking efforts are in the extra space and time he gets moving around. The whole Foley / Beale dance is obviously not to everyone's tastes, but there are plenty of teams utilising a more fluid approach with regard to attacking, and not the rote patterns of the past. Look at the Kiwi Super teams. For better or worse, it seems to work. I think we get more from Foley and Beale working this way. Which is not to say it does not have shortcomings - there is always some degree of compromise.

And he doesn't run straight and fades away from the pass

 

[fatprop]

People calling for Beale at 10 don't seem to really watch how he plays in recent times at the Tahs and Wallaby level. His best attacking efforts are in the extra space and time he gets moving around. The whole Foley / Beale dance is obviously not to everyone's tastes, but there are plenty of teams utilising a more fluid approach with regard to attacking, and not the rote patterns of the past. Look at the Kiwi Super teams. For better or worse, it seems to work. I think we get more from Foley and Beale working this way. Which is not to say it does not have shortcomings - there is always some degree of compromise.

Add to this just what 10/12 set up could we throw up that would be actually better?

They are cutting teams more than any other possible option we have.

Allowing Beale to float suits Beale; and Foley is able to/prepared to underplay his hand to facilitate Beale

 

[Derpus]

If we're in with a chance of winning the whole thing (say we steal the Bledisloe game in Sydney), then we pick our first choice for every game.
However, if that isn't happening, I think we should be using the Argentina games as an opportunity for fringe players or unknown quantities (Rona at 13, DHP as our fullback, Powell at 9, etc.). Fainga'a might be given a go there, but it's just as likely that Latu would start.

Would DHP be asked to play any differently from 15? I think he already operates largely as a fullback.

 

[RoffsChoice]

I think the idea with playing DHP at fullback (and resting Folau) is to try two general wingers. It's also a chance to see if Hodge as a winger (and our goalkicker) is a realistic option.

 

[TSR]

I don’t mind giving someone like Banks an opportunity, but if we have a winger in Australia who is capable of playing better there then DHP did against the Irish the I have to admit I’ll be pleasantly amazed.

 

[Rebels3]

I just want the best team selected every time (unless its a tier 2 nation), opportunity will come once people get injuries, bad form etc. players can learn their craft at the level below. I don't mind youngsters been included in squads for experience or preferred when there isn't much between a few players, but not a fan overall of giving someone a go when there is a test match on the line.

 

[Up the Guts]

Banks’ kick return is probably the best in Australia. He finds mismatches well and even if he doesn’t break the first tackle still gets over the advantage line and gets the Brumbies on the front foot. He’s ahead of Maddocks imho currently.

 

[Tomikin]

I think Folau F. has been outstanding since the June Series, clearly worked on his throwing during his time in the Wallaby Camp, and should be given a game in the RC, at least off the bench, with an eye on the World Cup. Taf, Latu, Uelese, and BPA all carry well up the middle but Folau has some silky skills and lightness on his feet that is more Dane Coles or Cody Taylor like than any of our other options at hooker.

His been outstanding and scored a peach of a disallowed try on the weekend

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[Brumby Runner]

They take their time so that the caller can see how the opposition lineup, so that everyone can hear the call (and so the opposition can't) and then lineup to suit the call - they don't want to have to change positions once in formation. That gives a good opposition more clues.

For all Arnold's obvious qualities, he has very limited lineout experience (relatively). He's only been playing top level for a couple of years and competes against guys who having been doing this their whole lives. I don't think we will ever see him calling a lineout - every lock he ever plays with will have far more experience doing it and will be the preferred caller



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Without necessarily agreeing or disagreeing, just how does that present a problem?

Another thing I can't get my head around. Isn't it the team throwing in who gets to establish the numbers and positions in the lineout? The opposition then has to number up with what the team in possession is doing. Why would the team in possession want to know how the opposition has lined up in the lineout before joining it themselves. That seems like a bit of a fluff argument to me.

 

[Brumby Runner]

I think Folau F. has been outstanding since the June Series, clearly worked on his throwing during his time in the Wallaby Camp, and should be given a game in the RC, at least off the bench, with an eye on the World Cup. Taf, Latu, Uelese, and BPA all carry well up the middle but Folau has some silky skills and lightness on his feet that is more Dane Coles or Cody Taylor like than any of our other options at hooker.

FF (Folau Fainga'a) has certainly come on this year. I like the comparison with Coles and Taylor. Spot on imo.

 

[barbarian]

Well you'd want to know how the opposition lined up so you could call to where they are not, or where they are weak.

 

[Derpus]

Banks’ kick return is probably the best in Australia. He finds mismatches well and even if he doesn’t break the first tackle still gets over the advantage line and gets the Brumbies on the front foot. He’s ahead of Maddocks imho currently.

It's a bit of a moot point because neither provide the utility of Hodge off the bench. If we go for a 5-3 split i'd much rather see Rona on there. That provides us with theoretical cover for every position in the backline, with DHP moving to fullback if Folau gets injured.

Maximum utility off the bench.