Wallabies 2019 Thread

[Tomikin]

He has been injury prone of late but initially made quite a statement at test level. The other options are somewhat underwhelming at that level at this stage. One of Uelese or a TPN in form will be required for a successful RWC tilt

His going to struggle to get a start at the Rebel's wait till his there and dominating before calling for him to be the wallabies first choice.

 

[Strewthcobber]

We want Dane Coles but we can't have him.

Kiwis are usually ahead of the game on these sort of things!

Given how critical lineouts are these days - work out a system around keeping your thrower less exhausted.

 

[Up the Guts]

Kiwis are usually ahead of the game on these sort of things!

Given how critical lineouts are these days - work out a system around keeping your thrower less exhausted.

Or get some other position to throw, like a winger.

 

[Derpus]

Or get some other position to throw, like a winger.

I always wondered why core roles like this HAD to be performed by a certain number. Seems unnecessarily restrictive.

 

[Up the Guts]

I always wondered why core roles like this HAD to be performed by a certain number. Seems unnecessarily restrictive.

Wingers used to throw, gave them something to do.

 

[Braveheart81]

Or get some other position to throw, like a winger.

My wife keeps bringing this up given our constant problems in the area.

The problem is how it would affect training.

If your winger is going to throw the ball in then they have to be involved in every lineout session. Obviously some lineout sessions involve the full team when you're working on first phase attack but most don't. The backs are off doing their own thing at that time.

You then have the issue of whether it is every winger you are going to train to throw. If it isn't then you still need to train with the hookers because they will have to throw if that winger isn't on the field.

The same applies for having a different forward throw the lineout in. They might already be part of the lineout training but you run into the same issue with players on the field at different times and then how you deal with things going up or down a team rep wise.

I think it's pretty much unworkable in the modern game.

It's not that long ago that hookers started throwing in the lineout but the lineout has also become a far more specialist aspect of the game than it used to be.

 

[Up the Guts]

^^^^
Yes, perhaps better in theory than in practice. There must be some good reasons the hooker throws like the ones you mentioned.

 

[KOB1987]

props often throw. There's no reason your open side couldn't do it as they are usually the shortest and thus don't have a jumping role and it frees him up from the ensuing lineout shemozzle to concentrate on the next phase.

EDIT: taking into consideration BH's pertinent points above

 

[Up the Guts]

props often throw. There's no reason your open side couldn't do it as they are usually the shortest and thus don't have a jumping role and it frees him up from the ensuing lineout shemozzle to concentrate on the next phase.

But if we’re talking about hookers being too gassed to throw I don’t see how props throwing are going to alleviate that problem—it’d probably make it worse. The open side also is often roving out wider ready to clear out off first phase attack or take the ball forward, not a lot of hookers have the speed for that.

 

[RugbyReg]

I know one thing for sure, I wouldn't trust CFS or Naivalu throwing the ball into the lineout for the Reds.

 

[Derpus]

The other one i wanted to see one time was a big winger (Taqele, Naholo, etc) packing in at number 8 for a set move off the scrum.

Instead of the 8 peeling off how good would it be to have someone with pace hitting the defensive line off the back of a scrum.

 

[Rebels3]

My wife keeps bringing this up given our constant problems in the area.

The problem is how it would affect training.

If your winger is going to throw the ball in then they have to be involved in every lineout session. Obviously some lineout sessions involve the full team when you're working on first phase attack but most don't. The backs are off doing their own thing at that time.

You then have the issue of whether it is every winger you are going to train to throw. If it isn't then you still need to train with the hookers because they will have to throw if that winger isn't on the field.

The same applies for having a different forward throw the lineout in. They might already be part of the lineout training but you run into the same issue with players on the field at different times and then how you deal with things going up or down a team rep wise.

I think it's pretty much unworkable in the modern game.

It's not that long ago that hookers started throwing in the lineout but the lineout has also become a far more specialist aspect of the game than it used to be.

If wingers threw in, it'd make defending any set move significantly easier. Generally any player involved in the front 3 is the least athletically gifted especially with speed, agility and power (unless you have a freak like Taniela Tupou). So moving someone that's able to isolate an opposition player 1 on 1 with speed or agility and capitalise on space or reach the gain line quicker (allowing for less contested breakdown and quicker ball) would significally hamper the desired result of a set piece move.

You wouldn't move a flanker to throw in because you need them to reach the breakdown quicker than the locks and front rowers to retain ball, you wouldn't move a lock because you need their height to win the ball and you generally have at least 1 front rower lifting due to their strength in lifting the tall timber, which leaves the odd man out being the hooker.

 

[Dctarget]

Wait wait wait, are you guys suggesting that coaches have thought about our harebrained schemes already and don't use them for a reason?

 

[Brumby Runner]

Kiwis are usually ahead of the game on these sort of things!

Given how critical lineouts are these days - work out a system around keeping your thrower less exhausted.

Well, Coles plays a lot on the wing, but even there he is always in the game making charges at the tryline and pilfers whenever an opposition player is unwise enough to test the outside channels for a run.

 

[Brumby Runner]

My wife keeps bringing this up given our constant problems in the area.

The problem is how it would affect training.

If your winger is going to throw the ball in then they have to be involved in every lineout session. Obviously some lineout sessions involve the full team when you're working on first phase attack but most don't. The backs are off doing their own thing at that time.

You then have the issue of whether it is every winger you are going to train to throw. If it isn't then you still need to train with the hookers because they will have to throw if that winger isn't on the field.

The same applies for having a different forward throw the lineout in. They might already be part of the lineout training but you run into the same issue with players on the field at different times and then how you deal with things going up or down a team rep wise.

I think it's pretty much unworkable in the modern game.

It's not that long ago that hookers started throwing in the lineout but the lineout has also become a far more specialist aspect of the game than it used to be.

I think the economics of having to train only two or three in a skill speaks volumes for having the hookers perform that task.

 

[KevinO]

Wallabies Fijian born winger Sefa Naivalu is the latest Wallaby set to make the switch to European rugby.
According to French media, Naivalu has apparently signed for Stade Francais and will arrive following the Rugby World Cup in Japan.

Still wish Koroibete went to the Reds instead of Sefa, think this is a massive FU to the ARU as he was settled in Melbourne and forced to leave.

 

[Derpus]

Wallabies Fijian born winger Sefa Naivalu is the latest Wallaby set to make the switch to European rugby.
According to French media, Naivalu has apparently signed for Stade Francais and will arrive following the Rugby World Cup in Japan.

Still wish Koroibete went to the Reds instead of Sefa, think this is a massive FU to the ARU as he was settled in Melbourne and forced to leave.

As posted in the exodus thread, i think people were expecting Sefa to leave after the next RWC. he'll be 28 or so, hasn't really managed to hold down the Wallabies spot and only signed a one year deal with the reds.

 

[Jimmy_Crouch]

Wallabies Fijian born winger Sefa Naivalu is the latest Wallaby set to make the switch to European rugby.
According to French media, Naivalu has apparently signed for Stade Francais and will arrive following the Rugby World Cup in Japan.

Still wish Koroibete went to the Reds instead of Sefa, think this is a massive FU to the ARU as he was settled in Melbourne and forced to leave.

How is this RAs fault? Rebels signed 300 backs and Sefa wasnt going to get a run. RA helped facilitate a move to QLD so he could actually play. I thought they did a great job tbh.

 

[Braveheart81]

I'd imagine Naivalu would have been a bigger priority for the Rebels and RA if he hadn't spent so much time out injured.

He could have played 30+ tests now but instead has played 10 and will be borderline for the RWC squad.

He has also missed out on a heap of Super Rugby for the Rebels.

 

[dru]

Well, Coles plays a lot on the wing, but even there he is always in the game making charges at the tryline and pilfers whenever an opposition player is unwise enough to test the outside channels for a run.

I thought Coles played a link role, not in the pod?

Generally the hooker, and the props, are given an easier attack burdon by making them the second pod. The heavy lifting is from the inner pod, generally the locks + 8 or 6.