Wales v Australia, Monday 18 November 3:10am AEDT
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Phil Kearns (64)
It'd take a phenomenal bit of skill to get enough hang time of a box kick that travels little to no distance for the pod to setup and lift. Might be a bit easier as a crossfield bomb, but that increases the risk if you don't take it. If you did catch it the put down wouldn't be easy either.
KOB1987
John Eales (66)
I wasn't actually suggesting it as a one-off, must win situation - that was Wam. It could be a legit variation, maybe for a long throw.
TSR
Andrew Slack (58)
Only if Faessler can safely throw it that far
Spamnoodle
Larry Dwyer (12)
Why? He's capped, was solid and is more versatile. Plus it sounds like Toole didn't have a great outing v Bristol Bears
Tomthumb
Peter Fenwicke (45)
Not a dig against Flook, more just surprised how low down the pecking order Toole is considering he's been the form winger for the last 2 years
dru
David Wilson (68)
Long throws do not usually require a catch above chest height - it's why they are often the domain of #7.
wamberal99
Jim Clark (26)
I bet Rassie would find a way to use Joey's lateral dominance!
Spamnoodle
Larry Dwyer (12)
Hopefully for Toole he can put in a great performance against England A on the weekend and get himself back up the pecking order.
TSR
Andrew Slack (58)
It would seem to be the best option for everyone for Toole to play in the Australia A game. Whereas Flook has already played some tests so less imperative to see him play Australia A and probably a bit more comfortable if he ended up being called into the 23 last minute (which I assume is doubtful). Toole gets a great chance to remind them what he can do.
dru
David Wilson (68)
So we get back to this...
Though not exactly length as much as height at length. And then I'd ask, "why"? You only need the height when there is competition for the ball. If there is competition for a long throw you are surely doing something wrong.
TSR
Andrew Slack (58)
I guess that was just my way of saying I didn’t think moving Sua’ali’i into the lineout was likely or (IMO) a good idea.
I understand Rassie has a bit of a Midas touch at the moment and likes to go rogue but I’d just rather we work on being really good at core roles than try and find ways to pull a rabbit out of the hat at this stage in our development.
Plus the way Sua’ali’i is in space last place I want him is middle of a lineout
Micheal
Alan Cameron (40)
For lineouts 5m out from the opponents try-line, put our halfback in as a 1 man lineout.
Get the hooker to throw the ball high and long (e.g. past the 15m mark), and have Joseph start the play in the flyhalf position.
Once the ball is thrown he starts his run and leaps to grab the ball at the 15m mark, timing his run so he's at the peak of his jump when receiving the ball.
You can't tackle a player in the air, so he'll finish his jump on the try-line or just beyond/before it (from footage I just watched of his cross-field kick receipts in the NRL). All he has to do is fall in the right way to get the ball down.
The defender won't have the same momentum to jump in a similar fashion, given that they start the play stationary 5m out from the lineout (e.g. on the tryline) and Sua'ali'i can have all the run-up that he wants.
A literally undefendable play.
I assume the trick will be executing it correctly, but as someone said, a coach like Rassie would at least test it in training. Sua'ali'i literally out jumped a lifted Itoje.
Get the hooker to throw the ball high and long (e.g. past the 15m mark), and have Joseph start the play in the flyhalf position.
Once the ball is thrown he starts his run and leaps to grab the ball at the 15m mark, timing his run so he's at the peak of his jump when receiving the ball.
You can't tackle a player in the air, so he'll finish his jump on the try-line or just beyond/before it (from footage I just watched of his cross-field kick receipts in the NRL). All he has to do is fall in the right way to get the ball down.
The defender won't have the same momentum to jump in a similar fashion, given that they start the play stationary 5m out from the lineout (e.g. on the tryline) and Sua'ali'i can have all the run-up that he wants.
A literally undefendable play.
I assume the trick will be executing it correctly, but as someone said, a coach like Rassie would at least test it in training. Sua'ali'i literally out jumped a lifted Itoje.
todd4
Dave Cowper (27)
He can play 11,13,14,15 at a pinch. How much more versatile do people want?
Sorry to pick on you when it wasn't your suggestion to begin with.
Why are we trying to come up with a low percentage trick play in one of the two highest probability try scoring positions possible (5m scrum or lineout)?
The backline can't advance until the ball passes the 15m mark. He can't start running as soon as the hooker throws the ball.
The reason why some teams do this in reverse (the long throw when you have a line out throw 5m out from your line) is because your guy only needs to run 5m and the opposition needs to run 10. The other player just can't arrive in time.
Micheal
Alan Cameron (40)
They actually can advance -- it's quite a common play for overthrows to be purposefully received by wingers on the burst when teams have lineouts in the middle of the field. I reckon I've seen it 50+ times in Super Rugby. The Waratahs used it a fair bit around 2014 - 2016.
If the ball doesn't go 15m, they must immediately retreat or they can be pinged.
As per 18.36, “Once the ball has been thrown in by a team-mate, players who are not participating in the lineout may move forward. If that occurs, then their opponents may also move forward. If the ball does not go beyond the 15-metre line, the players will not be liable to sanction if they immediately retire to their respective offside lines.”
I suppose my point is that it's a creative play that opposing teams might not know how to defend. I also think with sufficient practice it might be found to be less low percentage than expected.
HogansHeros
Dave Cowper (27)
As soon as this JAS in the lineout ploy was suggested , I instantly thought, Rassie would give it a go. Haha
Joe Blow
John Hipwell (52)
Versatility is not necessarily what we need.
Lolesio can play 10 and 12
Lenny can play 12 and 13, even 14 at a pinch.
Sua'ali'i can play 13 and 11/14
Kellaway can play 13, 14 and 15
Wright can play 14/15, maybe also 12/13.
Donaldson can play 10/15/12
We need the best option in each position.
Micheal
Alan Cameron (40)
That was my point -- it literally only requires 2 people, the hooker and JAS, and perhaps an hour or so to run a validity test of it. If JAS is contesting the ball over someone like George Ford or Marcus Smith, it's a no brainer.
The opposition to it (e.g. the likes on Bravehearts) post reflects how conservative we are in Australian rugby.