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Greg Davis (50)
yet he is second choice in almost every position he plays. were stepping backward putting him on the wing over iaone.
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Jimmy Flynn (14)
I've compiled some quick stats:
Cooper
1. Con: 1/2 Pen: 3/5
2. Pen: 2/2
67%
JOC (James O'Connor)
1. Con: 0/1 Pen: 5/6
71%
Gits
1. Con: 2/3 Pen: 3/3
2. Con: 1/2 Pen: 3/3 Drop: 1/1
75%
Cips
1. Pen: 0/1
2. Con: 1/1 Pen: 6/7
75%
Gerr
2. Drop: 0/1
0%
Barnes
1. Con: 3/6 Drop: 0/1
2. Con: 0/2 Pen: 2/4
46%
Beale
1. Con: 1/1
2. Con: 2/2
100%
Currently Beale is the form kicker, but only having 3 kicks. Barnes is a shocker. Gits is ok, but we know how he handles pressure.
Cooper
1. Con: 1/2 Pen: 3/5
2. Pen: 2/2
67%
JOC (James O'Connor)
1. Con: 0/1 Pen: 5/6
71%
Gits
1. Con: 2/3 Pen: 3/3
2. Con: 1/2 Pen: 3/3 Drop: 1/1
75%
Cips
1. Pen: 0/1
2. Con: 1/1 Pen: 6/7
75%
Gerr
2. Drop: 0/1
0%
Barnes
1. Con: 3/6 Drop: 0/1
2. Con: 0/2 Pen: 2/4
46%
Beale
1. Con: 1/1
2. Con: 2/2
100%
Currently Beale is the form kicker, but only having 3 kicks. Barnes is a shocker. Gits is ok, but we know how he handles pressure.
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Richard D. James
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Gits has a great average in Super Rugby and probably does in tests as well, as you say it's when he misses those kicks that is the issue.
A bit disingenuous to pull kicking stats from just two games to draw any conclusions. Barnes has taken a lot of kicks from the sideline, while most of Gits and Cips attempts have been fairly kickable. I would wait for at least 5 games before looking at season records.
Hawko
Tony Shaw (54)
One area that the Tahs could improve upon is their propensity to flop over the line near the corner rather than try to advance the ball around towards the posts. Its been a problem for several years. I cannot ever remember a Tahs player being pushed over the dead ball line or held up as a result of promoting the conversion position. Its something that needs to be spoken about at training and implemented on the field. Making conversions easy guarantees 7 points rather than 5 - its a no-brainer.
Crow
Jimmy Flynn (14)
And JOC (James O'Connor)'s only had one game. However, it was in support of my comment that I'm unhappy with the kicking so far this season. Maybe I'll do a proper analysis later in the year, with a running average or something. For a country where the most popular professional sport is based around accurately kicking an oval ball, I'm constantly flummoxed that we have so few decent place kickers.
FWIW from memory, most of Beale's have been from the sideline.
The_Brown_Hornet
John Eales (66)
I'd want to see a bigger sample size, an analysis of the position from which kicks are being taken and the game situation before making any judgements about our kickers.
The Mayor of Perth
Ted Fahey (11)
Really? Missing those three absolute sitters! Gits and Rabs, technique and results-wise, by a mile over BB and QC (Quade Cooper). Would much prefer to see Beale kick for Tahs, for Tahs sake and for Wallabies sake. How good it would be to have Gits, Rabs and Kurtley in top kicking form come RWC.
How can Ioane be so highly rated when he's missed so much football?
Slim 293
Stirling Mortlock (74)
Do you actually watch any rugby?
Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
Remember in Rd. 1 last year Reds v Tahs? Turner gets tackled by Hynes and he's sliding toward the goal line. A.Finger flops on top of him and since he came in from an angle at speed pushes the sliding Turner into touch. No penalty try was awarded for the flop though a try would have probably been scored had Finger been taken out of the equation.
The Reds throw to the lineout and lose it. Karma. The ball goes to the other side of the park and Sidey scores after getting a forward pass. Double karma.
But Sidey did the big Ashton dive and could have gone a bit closer to the posts instead. The conversion missed. One karma point back.
Richo
John Thornett (49)
Yeah, cos Gits has a great track record with sitters, especially when they matter.
The reality is that Gits is very unlikely to be in the Wobs run-on so the kicker will be Barnes, Gilbert or JOC (James O'Connor) (if he's in the run-on). As Barbarian says, a small sample size is pretty useless. You want to argue that Dan Carter can't kick after he had a shocker in Rd 1?
Hawko
Tony Shaw (54)
Sidey's dumbo dive was probably the worst example but there were lots of others. Given the Tahs kicking stats so far I don't understand why it hasn't already been hammered in at practise.
The Finger one is a case where Turner was sliding for the line. I want to see every time that a Tah crosses the line on his feet he immediately turns in towards the posts and tries to get as close as he can. If once he gets turned over and held up then I'll live with that but I think the overall benefit to the scoreline at the end of the comp would still be worth it.
Crow
Jimmy Flynn (14)
In the back of my mind in the WC. There are effectively 3 big games to win in a row. 1 shocking game from the kicker could quite easily cost you the cup. A consistantly good kicker is required, even for 2 games. There is no other role in the team so tightly linked to scoring points. Barnes dropped 10 points against the Reds. I wonder how often the tahs will have that luxury?
farva
Vay Wilson (31)
JOC (James O'Connor) for me has to be in the starting team. He has proved he can take pressure kicks.
He was probably the best winger in the world at the end of last season (I think he was much better than Mitchell and Mitchell was probably second best).
He is very quick. He can side step, he has a big boot, he is quite stong in the tackle, he is not defensively fragile like many seem to believe - he doesnt drop off of tackles, and he is bigger now than the 17 year old schoolboy everyone remembers him as.
For me, he starts somewhere, and since Cooper is a liability in defense, he looses his spot until it is sorted.
He is also the incumbent winger at the moment, and Ioane needs to win it back before we start pencilling him in at 14 again (ditto with Palu over McCalman).
He was probably the best winger in the world at the end of last season (I think he was much better than Mitchell and Mitchell was probably second best).
He is very quick. He can side step, he has a big boot, he is quite stong in the tackle, he is not defensively fragile like many seem to believe - he doesnt drop off of tackles, and he is bigger now than the 17 year old schoolboy everyone remembers him as.
For me, he starts somewhere, and since Cooper is a liability in defense, he looses his spot until it is sorted.
He is also the incumbent winger at the moment, and Ioane needs to win it back before we start pencilling him in at 14 again (ditto with Palu over McCalman).
kiap
Steve Williams (59)
JOC (James O'Connor) certainly looked the goods at 10 against the Reds, Farva. I'd want to see more, but he really could become the man for that spot.
Who knows how well he might go? We might see it a season or so down the track. Or it could be earlier.
MrMouse
Bob Loudon (25)
Yes I want to. I want to badly. But unless I can take a sledgehammer to his tibia and fibula, the bastard would prove me wrong.
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Anyaussiesidewilldo
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He's definately my favourite. So young but so confident. I dont think anyone could argue his talent. It will be a long Super season, I trust Robbie will find the best combo. I have feeling though that JOC (James O'Connor) at 10 this year for the force will give some serious food for thought
waratahjesus
Greg Davis (50)
he certainly played well, but after watching it a couple of times, not sure he played 10 all that well, he distribution and decision making was that of a centre, he ran away and took contact way to much. he didnt actually create space for those around him all that much at all. he should go to 12 when willie gets back. it seems the most obvious fit, as someone else said somewhere, dropping quade and having JOC (James O'Connor) outside Barnes is the best option so far out of the short season its been thus far.
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