Tri Nations Game 5 - Springboks vs All Blacks

[MajorlyRagerly]

Why don't you read what I said PB? I'm not whinging about the fucking ref. I'm not using it as an excuse, I'm not sucked into some bullshit deepness that you have fabricated.

you just can't comprehend English mate, that's always been your biggest problem.

Read what I wrote, and given what you have quoted above, you'll actually see that we agree almost 100% on everything.

Although I know your permanent banning and memories from TSF leaves you a little bitter on us but come on, be fair to those of us who front up on this website.

 

[PaarlBok]

FFS this again?

The forward pass in 2007 is merely the catch cry of an exceptionally poor refereeing performance. Anyone who seriously believes otherwise has seen less rugby than Helen Keller. Nor is there anything wrong with pointing out that both the TMO and the referee last weekend deliberately violated the TMO procedure.

Only the dimwitted try to obfuscate the fact that how the TMO may be applied and which laws he may adjudicate on is regulated, the same as the referee and his assistants. Using synonyms in describing the process doesn't change that.

I'm yet to see a Kiwi who thinks that this fuckup cost them the match. The problem is how blatant it was and the mystifying fog of shit that descended on Clancy's brain.

The funniest part of all this is the moral outrage coming from a noisy minority in the "justice armband" nation. Guarantee you'd be screaming about the assistant ref and George if the TMO had done his job as he is required to.

So you still havent forgot 2007 and still hammer on protocol shite. Good luck to you.

I'll spell it out again, it always happen when the All Blacks lose a test, they moan and groan and bitch like babies. Fuck I hope the Wallabies do the same to you on the weekend, usually then it goes to the Cartell.

 

[Bullrush]

So you still havent forgot 2007 and still hammer on protocol shite. Good luck to you.

I'll spell it out again, it always happen when the All Blacks lose a test, they moan and groan and bitch like babies. Fuck I hope the Wallabies do the same to you on the weekend, usually then it goes to the Cartell.

PB....wake up to yourself.

None of the Kiwis that I have seen have moaned or groaned or bitched like babies. As MR and antipodean have said, none of us think that the call lost us the game. In fact, a lot of us think it was a good decision despite how they got to the final ruling.

But to pretend that it wasn't a very strange call and a break away from the usual protocol and use of the TMO is just plain fucking dumb.

How can we forget 2007.....everyone fucking jokes about the ABs choking at RWCs at every opportunity they get and we take it pretty good. You all want us to remember the result without how it eventuated?

 

[antipodean]

So you still havent forgot 2007

Obviously neither have you and your team wasn't even involved. So who is the one with the obsession here? Go make yourself a justice armband to cope.

 

[Thomond78]

Would prefer a breach of a protocol that gives the right result or standing by it that gives the wrong one?

And can you explain why POB came out publicly criticising the refs in this game, and the one in the San Siro; but not Bryce the Bollockless' double fuck-ups in the Lions, or Kaplan/Allan robbing Ireland of the Triple Crown in Cardiff?

At the very least, it looks inconsistent. Better to keep his mouth shut on all such matches. Alas, POB has never had that ability.

 

[wikman]

Champ, the point is that it's pretty lame to keep complaining about not being allowed an illegal try.

Honestly I'm not complaining, I support Australia and the Wallabies all the way. But imagine if that was one of our tries which was disallowed due to the video ref not sticking to protocol, which lost us the Tri-Nations. The majority i think would agree with me that it was the wrong decision. Personally i agree with you that the video ref should be able to rule on anything in the play or the series of events before a try, although thats not the rules of the video ref.

 

[antipodean]

Would prefer a breach of a protocol that gives the right result or standing by it that gives the wrong one?

False dilemma. I'd prefer referees didn't make mistakes. I'd also prefer the IRB re-implemented rucking. If you permit the TMO to go back through the tape to a certain point, people will still have a cry and a whinge the he/ she/ it didn't spot a particular offence.

If, if, they were to implement the TMO more generally then the only way to make it work is have the referee stipulate exactly what he/ she /it wanted the TMO to look at.

And can you explain why POB came out publicly criticising the refs in this game, and the one in the San Siro; but not Bryce the Bollockless' double fuck-ups in the Lions, or Kaplan/Allan robbing Ireland of the Triple Crown in Cardiff?

Was he asked? He certainly backed Wayne Barnes

 

[PaarlBok]

Would prefer a breach of a protocol that gives the right result or standing by it that gives the wrong one?

And can you explain why POB came out publicly criticising the refs in this game, and the one in the San Siro; but not Bryce the Bollockless' double fuck-ups in the Lions, or Kaplan/Allan robbing Ireland of the Triple Crown in Cardiff?

At the very least, it looks inconsistent. Better to keep his mouth shut on all such matches. Alas, POB has never had that ability.

First time I saw Clansy in action. Thought he had a good test and my new favourate NH ref. Let the game flow and allow the breakdowns to be a contest.

 

[Bowside]

In the end it was the right call, even if it was not following the regulation which is a flawed regulation in any case.

 

[PaarlBok]

By the way PoB is way out of his league. Should have been replaced by Watson waaay back. I remember a Italy test about scrumming aswell which he did not handle that well.

 

[Thomond78]

False dilemma. I'd prefer referees didn't make mistakes. I'd also prefer the IRB re-implemented rucking. If you permit the TMO to go back through the tape to a certain point, people will still have a cry and a whinge the he/ she/ it didn't spot a particular offence.

If, if, they were to implement the TMO more generally then the only way to make it work is have the referee stipulate exactly what he/ she /it wanted the TMO to look at.


Was he asked? He certainly backed Wayne Barnes

It's not a false dilemma. It's the difference between Clancy - who even under the protocol is allowed to seek information from the TMO about matters in-play - not ignoring the information he was given and giving the right result; and Kaplan giving the wrong result in Cardiff.

And O'Brien wasn't asked about this, or the San Siro, yet waded in; yet didn't comment on Cardiff, or the Lions. He is inconsistent, and has shown consistently poor judgement.

 

[Thomond78]

First time I saw Clansy in action. Thought he had a good test and my new favourate NH ref. Let the game flow and allow the breakdowns to be a contest.

He's not great. He tries to avoid pissing people off, and can avoid really big calls as a result; the inverse of Poite, who'll make big, and frequently wrong, calls just to piss people off. But I would agree he was good on Saturday.

 

[MajorlyRagerly]

It's not a false dilemma. It's the difference between Clancy - who even under the protocol is allowed to seek information from the TMO about matters in-play - not ignoring the information he was given and giving the right result; and Kaplan giving the wrong result in Cardiff.

And O'Brien wasn't asked about this, or the San Siro, yet waded in; yet didn't comment on Cardiff, or the Lions. He is inconsistent, and has shown consistently poor judgement.

I don't think so. Have you met our media? Anytime there is a perceived referring injustice, they always ask POB. He doesn't call press confernces - he just responds when asked questions of - something which our media regularly does.

Do you thnk radio sport in NZ called Paddy, or he called them?

Look, I don't rate the job Paddy has done, not much at all. And his judgement on many things has been poor at best - San Siro being the worst. But the only way he gets stuff into the media that is potentially controversial is when they media goes to him, not the other way around.

 

[antipodean]

It's not a false dilemma.

It is. You offered only two options when I presented a third.

And O'Brien wasn't asked about this, or the San Siro, yet waded in

Well he was asked about this. I linked to a media interview. If you're going to comment, get your facts correct.

 

[PaarlBok]

Obviously neither have you and your team wasn't even involved. So who is the one with the obsession here? Go make yourself a justice armband to cope.

I'll ask Louis Luyt to send you a watch, whiner.

 

[Thomond78]

I'll ask Louis Luyt to send you a watch, whiner.

Thread ends. Because there's no way anyone can top that one. :lmao:

 

[Toddy]

What ref would have had the balls to give the try anyway? Chances are if they did some fat bok supporter would waddle on to the field and attack the ref.

 

[MajorlyRagerly]

I'll ask Louis Luyt to send you a watch, whiner.

Jesus your a good winner Paarl. Your comments on thsi thread have been a real eye opener to those of us who have previously stuck up for you.

 

[Thomond78]

MR, bluntly, the longer this goes on, the more of a point he seems to have. Your post at the top of this page is hardly unpersonalised. Oom PB's was at least funny, and taking the piss out of a break the Boks got in the past, to boot.

The TMO broke the protocol, but once informed, it would have been wrong for Clancy to do anything else than he did. If it's good enough for Grim 'Enry, then it's really done and dusted.

 

[Lindommer]

Gentlemen, gentlemen, we're starting to chew up a bit of goodwill on this thread. OK, a lot of goodwill. It would seem some posters' point of views are implacable and can't be dissuaded with any cogent argument. Time to stop in my book.

Let's all agree to leave it there and look forward to Saturday's test.