Total number of national players ever

[cyclopath]

indigenous is just the politically correct term for aboriginals, just needed to know how many there where in the super 14 to argue with some mungoes

Why argue with mungoes? They will drag you down to their level and beat you over the head with their stupidity, or failing that do a Fatty head-wobble. Ask them how their tilt at reconciliation is going lately?

 

[TOCC]

No, thats the way the word is used in common parlance in Australia, but thats not what it technically means.

Its the same as the word aboriginal (which has even become a standard pronoun in Australia).

Fancy that, considering this is a Australian forum

 

[Newb]

Does OZ have a site with this sort of stuff?

the brain trust behind G&GR hasn't gotten there yet

 

[saulih]

Surprised no-one brought up scrum.com They are on top of updates.

the all time cap list is here:
http://www.scrum.com/australia/rugby/player/caps.html?team=6

the site has a ton of other stats to look through as well.

 

[rustycruiser]

Boks are at 718 (Bandise Maku) if you only count Tests. Obviously isolation limited the number of caps we have had.

 

[liquor box]

My understanding is that many years ago you only got a "cap" if you started the game, is this correct?

This would affect the number of players we have had, maybe NZ have so many because they count it differently?

 

[Scarfman]

Indigenous is not a politically correct word for anything. It has a distinct meaning.

OED: Born or produced naturally in a land or region; native or belonging naturally to (the soil, region, etc.). (Used primarily of aboriginal inhabitants or natural products.).

Wikipedia: Indigenous peoples are people, communities, and nations who claim a historical continuity and cultural affinity with societies endemic to their original territories that developed prior to exposure to the larger connected civilization associated with Western culture. These societies therefore consider themselves distinct from societies of the majority culture/s that have contested their cultural sovereignty and self-determination.

Oak trees are not indigenous to Australia, and neither am I.

But RF - you might need to make the terms of your argument clearer to us.

 

[DPK]

We are all indigenous to where ever the Last Universal Common Ancestor was created.

 

[RugbyReg]

My understanding is that many years ago you only got a "cap" if you started the game, is this correct?

This would affect the number of players we have had, maybe NZ have so many because they count it differently?

good question. Not sure if its true. Perhaps its just that many years ago, we didn't have the loose interchange rules we have now. That is, you actually had to be injured to come off.

 

[Langthorne]

Indigenous is not a politically correct word for anything. It has a distinct meaning.

OED: Born or produced naturally in a land or region; native or belonging naturally to (the soil, region, etc.). (Used primarily of aboriginal inhabitants or natural products.).

Wikipedia: Indigenous peoples are people, communities, and nations who claim a historical continuity and cultural affinity with societies endemic to their original territories that developed prior to exposure to the larger connected civilization associated with Western culture. These societies therefore consider themselves distinct from societies of the majority culture/s that have contested their cultural sovereignty and self-determination.

Oak trees are not indigenous to Australia, and neither am I.

But RF - you might need to make the terms of your argument clearer to us.

I'm perfectly happy to wade into this discussion...

What is the significance of where your forbears were born?
At what point in the past is there a cut off? because if go back far enough we're pretty much all related.

If not Australia, where are you indigenous to Scarfman?

I prefer the OED definition, mostly because it is not politically loaded like the Wikipedia. There are many people who are not indigenous, in that sense (to just one place), particularly in Australia.

As you can probably guess, I don't have much time for discussions about "pure blood" in humans, whatever the situation....and how it can relate to rugby I do not know.

 

[cyclopath]

We are all indigenous to where ever the Last Universal Common Ancestor was created.

Africa?

 

[DPK]

Africa?

Could be anywhere; the LUCA is the ancestor of both humans and every other organism on Earth.

 

[cyclopath]

Could be anywhere; the LUCA is the ancestor of both humans and every other organism on Earth.

Apart from the ones the CIA have made and keep cooled in a storage facility deep under the Nevada desert...

 

[Hugh Jarse]

good question. Not sure if its true. Perhaps its just that many years ago, we didn't have the loose interchange rules we have now. That is, you actually had to be injured to come off.

In addition to this interchanging of players, Correct me if I am wrong, but in ye olde days not all international matches were considered as Test Matches, and therefore worthy of awarding Test caps to the participants. This may also skew the "historical records".

I am thinking about games between the "established" test playing nations and the emerging nations such as Canada and USA. At that time (1970's) The Engligh and All Blacks did not award caps for these games, while Wallabies (rightly so) would.