Tom Carter

[lily]

except he is of super standard, the comp were discussing and he plays in.
and also, as a brumbie fan i understand how you may have missed it, but nathan grey was a mans man, he wouldnt have fit in in canberra but he was a fantastic player for any team he was in.

I live in Manly and the only reason the Brumbies logo is associated with me is a protest to NSWRU about people such as Tatafu, George, Mark Gerrard etc who had to move to the ACT for the opportunity they deserved in Sydney.
What was meant by the comparison is that he doesn't play as a second 5, more of a crash ball runner. I thought this comparison would be pretty obvious to most. Maybe I need to make it easier to understand for some.

 

[waratahjesus]

He is this generations Nathan Grey.
In club rugby he is a dirty player.
In S15 he is nowhere near an elite level.

Still don't find it clear, but okay, sounded like you were saying Nathan grey was not an elite player as well as Tom Carter, 2 wrongs don't make a right.

And sorry I didn't get the protest part, seems so clear when you piece it together.

 

[whatty]

Will someone with a better IT intellect than me transfer the last 6 posts (sans Scarfy's rant so 5) to a new thread titled "Best Centre pairings". I would if I could, but I can't.

Not until Danie Gerber and any of the two du Plessis brothers are mentioned bias yes, but no doubt pure class.

 

[#1 Tah]

I live in Manly and the only reason the Brumbies logo is associated with me is a protest to NSWRU about people such as Tatafu, George, Mark Gerrard etc who had to move to the ACT for the opportunity they deserved in Sydney.

Taf made his super rugby debut for the Tahs? still plays here....

 

[ned]

I've watched nearly every Tahs game in Sydney live since Super Rugby started, and I must confess I prefer the vibe to statistics. The roars of the crowd when Kurtley goes for a run are counterbalanced by the groans when our Tom grasps the pill. What I can report from what I see with my own eyes is the number of times the ball dies with Carter. The Tahs have some of the best (with Horne fit, THE best) outside backs in the competition, their skillsets simply cry out for them to get the ball wide, and quickly, as often as possible. But Carter simply refuses to use his experience and skills to put an outside man into space. When he was run down last year with, what, two metres start 10 metres from the goal line we had our suspicions confirmed Tom's not the fastest back running around. Yet all here defend his decision not to pass the pill to Pakalani on Saturday night because cover was coming across to cover Afa. Now Pakalani is considerably faster than Carter, he's guaranteed to get at least 10 metres Tom can't get due to his speed before either of them would be tackled. Hasn't it occurred to you, Tom, to pass to the faster man and back him up? This is what I see live, week in week out at the SFS, Carter not participating in any sort of ensemble play with his fellow backs. And that's why Deans will never pick him, he's not a team player and he doesn't have enough skill.

Enough of the vibe. I went back over tg's excellent piece and came up with nine occasions Carter died with the ball, at 00:30, 1:00, 21:30, 34:50, 41:30, 48:50, 54:20, 64:50 and 80:00. Apparentley Tom passed the ball three times, at 67:30, 71:00 and 80:00, but fuck all come from his silky passing skills and I missed them. Or I'd turned off after 65 minutes of dross and Carter's pieces of magic didn't register. Here we were, playing the Cheetahs, a team with huge, lumbering forwards who run out of puff when the tempo's too fast for them (witness last year's falldownathon as they needed to catch their breath), a game any fool says should be played as fast and wide as possible. But, no, Tom knows better, I'll cart the ball up into the teeth of those huge Jaapie pigs. After 65 minutes af bashing himself against bigger and stronger brutes Carter obviously deduced this wasn't working and decided to try something different. Not good enough, Tom.

Statistics are well and good but there are times I prefer the vibe.

Instead of bagging a super 15 player (which you have obviously never been), get yourself a job or a hobby because if your sitting there analysing one players game then you obviously have too much free time or your Chris Hickey (which I very much doubt).

 

[lily]

Tatafu went to Granville High school. He represented Aust schools as a number 8. He was signed by the Brumbies. As they had Jeremy Paul and others there he had no opportunity so he went back to NSW.
The previous post is actually three comments about Carter not Nathan Grey. Tom Carter is a serial niggler of opponents in the Shute Shield and isn't a dominant S15 player as he is a one dimensional player.

 

[waratahjesus]

Instead of bagging a super 15 player (which you have obviously never been), get yourself a job or a hobby because if your sitting there analysing one players game then you obviously have too much free time or your Chris Hickey (which I very much doubt).

Fair crack Ned, lindo has a right to voice his opinion as you do, it's a forum if we can't bitch about rugby and it's players then it wouldn't exist.

 

[ned]

Fair crack Ned, lindo has a right to voice his opinion as you do, it's a forum if we can't bitch about rugby and it's players then it wouldn't exist.

Yeah your right lets bitch about Rugby and players not one individual!!!!

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

Not until Danie Gerber and any of the two du Plessis brothers are mentioned bias yes, but no doubt pure class.

To be fair, as good as Gerber was, many or even most people outside of the Republic never saw him play. I only did right at the end of his career.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

Didn't Anthony pair with with Horan a couple of times as well 92 or 93. He was even bigger than Daniel if memory serves me.

I think you are quite correct. Anthony played tests in the early 90's and by that stage Horan was well established in the Wallabies at 12. An absolute brute of a man (in stature that is).

 

[waratahjesus]

Yeah your right lets bitch about Rugby and players not one individual!!!!

Sorry Ned, should of added, play the thread not the man. This is a discussion on Tom Carter, he Is a player and one that creates a lot of debate, no one is wishing him harm, just voicing opinion about his play. You don't need to slag any poster off to make your point. A simple 'that seems over the top and this is why' is fine

 

[Godfrey]

Lolacrit

 

[waratahjesus]

Lolacrit

Think you might need to find an in context reason for that one Frey.

 

[deefence]

Yep, and that's what I've been getting at.

In terms of historical centre pairings that have worked well:

Horan and Little (obviously)
Horan and Herbert
Mesnel and Sella
Charvet and Sella
Papworth and Slack
Lynagh and Slack (albeit briefly)
Guscott and Carling (as Gnostic pointed out)
Little and Bunce
Taylor and Stanley

Not an international pairing but 1991 Waratah pairing of Richard Tombs and Craig Wells was something to watch. Tahs were underrated that year and highlights included beating Qld at Concord where Wells comprehensively outplayed Little, also that year the Tahs flogged England again at Concord and Wells schooled Carling and Guscott and belted Carling all afternoon.... A new coach called Macqueen plucked Wells from Kiama Rugby Club that year and it was a masterstroke, unfortunately Wells didn't do his talent justice but had a long career around the world..... Incidentally that year Macqueen played a few players from the NSW Country side including Ekert,Palmer (Dan Palmers father who was a reserve hooker from the Gong), introduced two Bowral flankers Talbot and Simon Whyte..... Unfortunately coaches today do not get to see the talent on show and do not really have games where they can introduce them..... Rugby is the poorer for it!

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

The Tahs of that era were a mighty good outfit. Mentored by the super coach of course